c. 1850 – Kathleen, GA

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200 Sandbed Rd, Kathleen, GA 31047

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  • $224,900
  • 3 Bed
  • 1 Bath
  • 2277 Sq Ft
  • 12 Ac.
Rare opportunity to own one of the oldest standing homes in Houston County. Antebellum home constructed with brick from local clay and hand-hewn timber from virgin pine forest. Would make a great restoration project for homestead or wedding venue. Pecan grove, tractor shed. silo. New purchaser must keep property in agricultural conservation program through 2026.
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  1. BethanyBethany says: 3450 comments
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    1983 White elephant
    Escondido, CA

    I love the whole thing but the kitchen cabinets take the cake!

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  2. tadpaulatadpaula says: 21 comments

    Oh my heart breaks for this beautiful grand old home! I would take this one in a heartbeat and love it back to it’s glorious life of yesteryear!!!

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  3. LeonitaLeonita says: 15 comments
    1940 Bungalow
    Tampa, FL

    Avocado green stove and locking handle refrigerator…..heaven. I gotta wonder, where does the half size door at the top of the stairs lead to?

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  4. harpmom2 says: 1 comments

    My first thought on seeing this house is that it looks like a converted dog trot house. My great-grandmother lived in one, and my grandmother talked about sitting in the dog trot, shelling peas, and enjoying the breeze on a hot summer day. I can see how wonderfully shaded this one is with the deep porch and wide center hall. Hopefully this one will find a nostalgic new owner who will bring her back to her former glory.

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    • RosewaterRosewater says: 7177 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      I wonder if you may be right about that. That has been proposed before about similar houses; but this is the first one where I find myself agreeing that the “dog trot” is a real possibility. I’d say the stair is especially promising in that regard. Can you imagine someone restoring that feature and LIVING like that? Sure would be a pretty amazing conversation feature. heheheh. πŸ™‚

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      • BradGBradG says: 45 comments
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        1847 Georgian
        Melbourne, Australia,

        I think you’re right about a filled in dogtrot Rosewater, the front entrance is way too wide for an 1850’s house, especially the fixed sidelights.
        The style of the glazing in the doors and sidelights looks 1920’s, as does the transom light above the doors.
        Also in photo 7, taken from inside looking towards the front doors, the original 6-panel door at the top of a flight of 6 steps looks out of place; it may be part of an internal staircase with a draught door or it may have been an external door into the dogtrot originally with different steps.
        The panelled wainscoting along the faΓ§ade is very unusual, it matches the internal panelling but I’ve never seen it as an external decorative feature.
        I suspect the house was given a makeover around the 20’s, looking at the darkly stained wainscot and mantles and the stair railing and newel posts on the upper floors.
        I agree, if it was a dogtrot to restore this feature would be wonderful.
        Very interesting old house with some secrets to unravel!

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    • realdaddrealdadd says: 34 comments
      second empire frankfort, NY

      hello there, what is “dog trot house”? million thanks.

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      • akd1953 says: 190 comments

        A dog trot is a house that was/is two one room (or more rooms) that face each other the space in between is open but the roof covers both the open space and the two rooms. In the South this was a popular style before a/c. You were sheltered from the sun but a nice breeze flowed between the two rooms. Later on I think people enclosed the dog trot area so it looked more like a center hall house.

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      • CheryleCheryle says: 59 comments

        Dogtrots represented the earliest types of frontier homes. One room cabins were built for the entire family to live in, frequently with an attic sleeping room, and outside stairs. Later as the family grew and time and money permitted, and the plans for the family home increased, a second cabin is built and connected by the same roof. Thus the outside stairs become inside. Visitors could be allowed to use the dog trot for sleeping if the person was not known to the family. Dog trots were so named because the dogs could frequently be found on them, enjoying the breeze in summer along with the rest of the family, and protecting the house all year round.Because the entire cabin mightn’t be more than 400 sq. ft., the dining table would be placed out there sometimes. In winter the dogs were sheltered there from the snow and rain. Washing up was done on these protected porches, and some goods would be stored there too, particularly if the stairs were later enclosed.
        I own a German Fachwerk home, the German equivalent of the pioneer home of a more wooded locale. Mine was 1 room and an enclosed rear room the length of the original room, but size was controlled by the engaged roof, so in my case, only 8.5 ft wide. Where logs are laid horizontally in a log cabin, in my case, they are used strictly for the uprights flanking each opening, and the floor joists. The walls continue into the attic and support the roof mid way on each side, parallel with the summer beam. This allows a sleeping room upstairs, with the obligatory exterior staircase. My walls are infilled with adobe bricks, then plastered over, first with adobe brown coat, then hand made plaster of burned limestone, which is very prevalent here. When the sale of Victorian houses became more available, the family that bought the original fachwerk added on in high Victorian Eastlake style to the front of the house, which was then the side. My house is listed because of architectural layering, each generation adding on in the current style and type of architecture.

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    • CheryleCheryle says: 59 comments

      I believe you are very right about that! I can see it, and this would explain the odd stair landing in the middle of the hall downstairs, going to the closet stairs. It has an odd top floor landing too, having to double back to get to the bedrooms

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  5. kate says: 62 comments

    got my name all over it! I’m a “Kathleen”!

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  6. Michelle Reeves says: 4 comments

    It’s in a strange state, hope someone who gets it know what’s up and revamps it correctly

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  7. looking to retire says: 12 comments

    Question… in the picture of the top of the stairs there’s a window in the stairwell on the left. Isn’t the stairwell in the middle of the building? Is that window to the outside or is it a window in a bedroom into the stairwell? Any ideas?

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  8. realdaddrealdadd says: 34 comments
    second empire frankfort, NY

    hi there, since i am from CA, WHAT IS ABOUT THE LOCATION? safe? it is ok to live there? thanks.

  9. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 12146 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Posted 2018, recently reduced in price so moved to the front page.

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  10. CharlestonJohnCharlestonJohn says: 1093 comments
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    Charleston, SC

    I must have missed this one the first time around. I imagine the front porch and dormers were added during a 20th century remodel that included much of the interior. As to the theory this may have once been a dog trot, here’s a similar intact dog trot house in the same town, once owned by the same family (Bryan) that had a family cemetery at the site of the posted house.

    https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/d7c9efb4-1bd2-4703-8678-49d4ebd4f952

    Family cemetery: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2537318/bryan-family-cemetery

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  11. Gregory_KGregory_K says: 455 comments
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    Chatsworth, CA

    What a handsome home. It has a strong period feeling.

    There are several other homes like this, with a projecting main floor balcony under the columned porch, so I seriously doubt that it was ever a dogtrot house. The first floor height is very tall, and would have always required a long flight of stairs, whereas every dogtrot house I’ve seen has been much, much lower to the ground. It would be interesting to determine if this house is in a flood plain, or perhaps there was some other reason for the first floor being so high, such as the simple desire for a daylight basement.

    In addition, I believe that some of the details identified as alterations are original, such as the breadth of the front door composition. From my perspective, it is wise to remember that these were not buildings designed by professional architects. They are true ‘folk architecture,’ designed by a local builder.

  12. I’m interested in opinions on restoring this house.
    The home does appear to be a dogtrot, which I’d never heard of. The front and rear enclosures and other improvements were added by family members before 1920. The home is of timber frame construction and in urgent need of care due to ongoing water damage. Any thoughts on how far back to take the restoration? By the way, the small door at the top of the stairs is a cedar closet.

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    • JimHJimH says: 5267 comments
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      As a vernacular house without strong elements of style, the overall character is more that of an accretion than any particular period. For that reason, I’d limit restoration to preserving the historic content and only editing those things which detract from the Folk narrative of the place.
      The biggest question on the exterior is the porch, probably among the later additions but which defines the look of the house at this point. I wouldn’t remove it, but a smaller porch could recreate an earlier appearance from around 1900. I’m not seeing anything terribly objectionable on the exterior that needs removal.
      I love the way the chimneys and different windows show the growth of the house:
      https://www.oldhousedreams.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/75-200-Sandbed-Rd.jpg

      It’s hard to tell from the photos if the interior layout is livable as is, and possibly some minor alterations are necessary to make it work. I like the enclosed dogtrot feel of the center hall, though that little stair could be reworked somehow. I’d backdate the bathroom and the later fixtures and finishes. Personally, I think the mid-century pine kitchen is consistent with the Folk feel of the house and I’d work with it!

      It’s a really fascinating property that evokes lots of history.

      Streetview:
      https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=fd5b0f29-aa17-479c-ac60-5137e58b558a&cp=32.470476~-83.624501&lvl=19&dir=76.25476&pi=3.7642188&style=x&mo=z.2.25&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027

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  13. RosewaterRosewater says: 7177 comments
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    1875 Italianate cottage
    Noblesville, IN

    This is a fabulous house; full of character, and nicely preserved. If you buy it, you’ll have my compliments as to your good taste.

    My thoughts about it pretty much echo Jim’s; except that I would, myself, rather radically reconsider the form of the porch structure as it exists now. Honestly, the thing looks schlumpy and ill considered. Since it is (surely) not original; I think it would be entirely acceptable to rip the whole thing off of there, (including the projecting, raised porch), and take that elevation back to the original, if you’d a mind. That would of course entail removing all of the (likely later, but still antique), brick work which does look substantial, and in rather good condition; not to mention losing a rather nice porch space. I think if it were mine, I’d try to find a happy medium by re-framing the roof in concert with the roof of the house, and shortening the depth of the covered space to just, (or nearly), that of the existing, raised porch footprint. It would be kind of a shame to lose those old brick and stucco pillars; but it may be possible to move them back; place them on new foundations and plinths; and re-use them in that better, newly raised, position. I’d place them just in front of the porch; and then re-frame the porch deck around them; thereby preserving the nice, brick stair, and providing a delightful element of visual interest. Wouldn’t be cheap or easy; but sure would look nice; and far more appropriate with the elegance of the original structure.

    My only other deviation on Jim’s take would be the stair. That, as you see it, is very likely original; and IMO should be preserved as is. I would not re-open the dog-trot and go all the way back to the original: unless of course you really want to live an antique existence. Heheheh. If this is just a retreat or lodge for part time use – maybe. πŸ˜‰

    I would definitely keep the great vintage kitchen!

    I have a lot of thoughts about what to do with this place. Buy it; take and post a zillion pictures of the details; let us know; and I have no doubt that there will be plenty of people excited for you and happy to offer encouragement and advice. Until then, cheers! J

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  14. CheryleCheryle says: 59 comments

    This house clearly had a full width porch and the brick stairs would have been in front of them. Look at the way the columns meet the ground, the plinths are in line with the interior floor where the square bases begin. I will guess, with studied opinion, that the original porch might have had a lot of rot, so it was ripped off and stairs moved back to the door itself, possibly during the depression when the family fell on hard times. A proper house mover might be able to move the stairs forward so you could replace the smaller porch for much less than tearing off the porch and rebuilding it. I do believe the porch is in the original place, and investigation of the framing will show where the porch rafters and joists should be/are placed.
    Many times, families would house livestock under their homes until a proper barn would be built, which accounts for the high first floor. Not everyone would have had an English Basement, which may have been built later and it would have been dug out and built once the farm was established.
    I disagree with JimH about the stairs and hallway. If you look at the homes constructed by Thomas Day, you will see similar wainscoting and side stairwells, which may have been brought with the settlers from an earlier house in a different community, or the craftsman who built this may have studied under Day and been even a generation removed from him. It is conceivable that the owner/builder had a Dogtrot home and then had the wainscoting made when it was expanded and the dogtrot enclosed. The timber framing reinforces this opinion, as does the awkward stairway which terminates at or close to the wall on the second floor, then requires doubling back to get to the rooms. I have seen this on much more modest homes, so it is not unheard of to build the stairs in this manner. The corresponding narrow rooms flanking the stairs in the attics reinforce the dogtrot concept, as well as the odd window in the stairs, which might have once been an end gable window. I believe the other rooms with end gable windows will be further from the stairs. It was not unusual to have the stairs wind to the second floor through a closet such as this. Again, look at the ones from around 1740s in N. Carolina and Virginia and forward, and those made by Thomas Day, some of which will be side hall plans. I believe this house to be very old.
    Before you do much, investigation will show you what you want to know about it. This will give indications of what happened and is missing that you can reconstruct. Peeling back the trim boards around the porch for instance, will show where joists were, and rim boards. Digging some of the paint away on the columns might show where joists were once placed for structure, both rafter and floor, as well as rails. Under the house, you might see the remains of doors, joists, footings, etc. You might see if there is a college interested in historic homes/building construction or archaeology/sociology and see if there might be someone who can help you with the investigation, or get help from the state preservation group.
    The fun is yet to come! What a wonderful adventure this might be!

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    • JimHJimH says: 5267 comments
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      Perhaps I wasn’t clear about the stair, which is obviously early and is configured as would be expected. My only issue was with the lower section, which appears a bit rude, with a mismatched and incomplete railing (and ugly paint). It belongs there but doesn’t look it at present in an otherwise well-finished space. I didn’t mention the wainscoting, and wouldn’t alter it at all.
      I also don’t see the relevance of Thomas Day’s exquisite work to this house. (Unlike the home Robert Hartwell just bought in Massachusetts, this one was most likely built with slave labor, since the Bryan family were slaveowners.)

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    • RosewaterRosewater says: 7177 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      Regarding the porch: in the interest of further discussion, I have found a good image of that elevation; edited it for closer inspection; and posted it here, (click the loaded image for an even closer look);
      https://www.oldhousedreams.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/kathleen-GA-1850.jpg

      Just wondering if, With this much closer view, you still maintain your earlier hypothesis?

      I hold firm to my own earlier opinion regarding the progression from the original dog trot house. I’ll just elaborate a bit more to suppose that again, originally, this porch structure did not exist at all; and that there were likely only brick foundation piers with open space between, and a simple set of frame stairs, both front and back, providing access to the open, center, dog trot hall. I suspect that the porch roof over rough grade was the first thing added (early); and that the raised, projecting porch came even later, along with the extensive brick work, likely close to the end of the 19th century. I think that the significant height difference between that of the porch deck, (in concert with the floor level of the house), and the terminus of the plinths, is now quite clear in the enhanced image. If that porch were extended forward at the same level to meet the plinth and columns it would eclipse the plinths by what seems to be at least a foot and a half or more. The existing stair would of course have had to have been later in that scenario; and the space between the deck and the roof would be, seemingly, approximately, 5’+ or so; making the reduced porch theory rather unlikely. πŸ™‚

      Thoughts?

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  15. Thank you all for your comments! Here’s more pics.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/mEJYBuhrCP4iJNmx7
    From my understanding this home was built in 1832 by Col. James Averette Bryan, originally from N.C., who represented Houston County in the GA state legislature. Annual family reunions were held there for many years. Here’s a couple of money quotes from Mr Byryan’s daughter-n-law Lynda (should have been Scarlett) from a 1926 article.
    “The broad veranda commands a view of the sunsets where, on this occasion a young moon gleamed in silvery radiance. From the valley below, was wafted the fragrance of the sweet scented bay.” —- “The presence of the servants who had rocked many of the Bryan children in their cradles, added a touch of the dear, delightful days of Southern hospitality and a tender grace of a time fast fading into a silhouette of memory.”
    My floor plan drawing is not exact with the doors.

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  16. CheryleCheryle says: 59 comments

    I am having serious heart palpitations over those timbers and that framing! Those are hand hewn joists, not machine made, by someone with an adze, an a lot of muscles! They are June, an dprobably either Cypress or red pine. They are magnificent!
    As for purchase, is there any kind of historic preservation/restoration group with government ties to preserve it? I had my entire town listed so I could save it. (Gruene, Texas) Perhaps you could contact the state preservation district and ask for help? If they see their hands will be restricted, they might be more amenable to your offer. On the other hand, could you get them to include more land to sweeten your side of the deal? I do hope you can swing it! I would love to see it come back.
    Does anyone else have a strong urge to get a power washer, Clorox, Spic and Span and brooms to get this cleaner? I can’t tell you how I long to get going on the cleanup! Wish I lived closer or had the time, I’d volunteer to give a few weeks work when you get it.

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  17. So I’m getting closer to buying the house, upped my offer again. This pre facelift picture clearly shows a dogtrot home with the original porch just without the newer brick steps. If these homes are that rare I’d like to restore it back to original but how is that possible and still have a livable home? Plus where would you put a bathroom? The tiny 1960’s one is in the kitchen breezeway.
    https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPdetolFwPCfWJzDDGeVPLuClPVm5IJbKiFAFV3l58jQOhpWRvzMfK9HIchzJPCDA/photo/AF1QipNs3qWSvbo4J5wPJodWokwwz8sCxdMR-cAWGuGn?key=X254ZWdBcG1UY25IcmY5OXRNNHlySTZmSFc0bmd3

    plan
    https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPdetolFwPCfWJzDDGeVPLuClPVm5IJbKiFAFV3l58jQOhpWRvzMfK9HIchzJPCDA/photo/AF1QipMkI6oS0oKJdV3n2xAgnS8ZocY8G8eEgAova7JJ?key=X254ZWdBcG1UY25IcmY5OXRNNHlySTZmSFc0bmd3

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    • RosewaterRosewater says: 7177 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      WOW! What a great shot! Right the way through the thing. NEAT! Oh man; now you’re going to have to put it back. That is just too rad. I’m going to legit pray that this deal goes through for you, dude. This house is just too fabulous to wind up as scrap. Shivvvvers at the thought. GOOD LUCK.

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    • JimHJimH says: 5267 comments
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      I think the older picture just shows sun reflecting off the glass doors. Note the transom window and the smaller door to the right.

      Not to belabor my original point, but the early 20th C. remodeling with the enclosure of the dogtrot is integral to the house. Ripping it all out with the additions reduces the space substantially and discards 100+ years of history. Going further back in time, and also trying to incorporate modern conveniences like bathrooms, makes the job much more difficult, including refinishing the whole house as it was in 1850.

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  18. AmyBeeAmyBee says: 829 comments
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    1859 Mod Vern Greek Revival
    Lockport, NY

    Listing Removed 7/10/2020 (Zillow).

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