c. 1850 Second Empire – Stony Point, NY – $399,000

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Added to OHD on 9/12/17 - Last OHD Update: 9/29/17 - 58 Comments
168 Filors Ln, Stony Point, NY 10980
THE GLAMOUR OF A NEWPORT MANSION MEETS BROADWAY & THE ARTS - Stony Point, Circa 1850. Imagine... Brick Baron James Garner built this French Maison with double brick construction, River Views & a 2 Story Barn, on a separate included deeded lot (3 Ewald Pl). Steeped in history with a flair of show business of the 20s, came Rollo Peters of NYC Theatre fame as the next owner. Through the passage of time, new owners Bill Golden (designed the famous CBS Eye) & wife Cipe Pineles (Art Dir., Vogue Magazine), added to this avalanche of splendor, mystique & character, "purging the house of frivolous aspects." The Goldens remodeled & redecorated in "good judgement & taste," in their eclectic style, creating more of a "Paris Manoir Romantique." This home served as a stage for occasions that were memorable for everyone. While living here will definitely inspire the new ownership to creatively restore the faded patina of the past, this is truly a home that one can't duplicate today, 40 mins to NYC... *** HOUSE & BARN SOLD AS IS, THIS IS NOT A SHORT SALE *** CASH OR 203K LOAN *** SALE INCLUDES SEPERATE .38 ACRE RIVER VIEW LOT WITH TWO STORY BARN, which is right next to the listing, but has a different address & street access from 3 Ewald Place: TAX ID: 392800.020.009-0003-010.00 *** 168 FILORS LANE IS ACCESSED THROUGH MARIAN SHRINE EASEMENT (turn right into the Shrine, #168 Filors driveway on left) ***
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58 Comments on c. 1850 Second Empire – Stony Point, NY – $399,000

  1. I’m in love!! I’d prefer the houses below to be a bit further away but at least the house is on a hill above giving it some more privacy and a better view.

    Wonder if there are some old Vogue magazines hidden in those stacks from the previous owners!




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  2. i live very close to this house, its great, i am sure some one will snap it up quick , seems like such a cheap price for such a great house.




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    • I gasped, too! What a spectacular house. I could see myself spending years there while enjoying every bit of the renovation.




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  3. Oh man!!!!! This is wonderful!

    I love the condition it’s in too! Just wish some of the colors of the walls were faded back to something antique and subtle. I could move in instantly!

    Wow! Wow! Wow!!!!




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  4. I don’t normally comment, but the photographer is absolutely fabulous. Those photos look like they took hours upon hours to stage. Assuming that they weren’t because, well look at the place, in any case really nice work.




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  5. I wish I had millions of dollars to play with, this will be a fabulous place, again. You can tell from originals pictures, there was lots of happiness in this house.




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  6. Cipe purged the house of “frivolous aspects.” Wonder what it looked like before … This place is magical!




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    • I’m guessing that the original fireplace mantels were the “frivolous aspects”. I’m sure they wouldn’t have appealed to 1950s-60s sensibilities. Other than that though, they couldn’t have done very much. It really looks quite intact inside.




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    • I’d guess the fireplace mantels too, especially since you can see more streamlined mantles in the double fireplace pics. We also don’t see the bathrooms and kitchen so maybe work was done there too. But a lot of the woodwork seems to be intact which is great!




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  7. We used to pass this place all the time going into Don Bosco. It was always a little run down looking but intriguing too. Until now I never knew it had a tower as I’d only ever seen it from the back, which I’d assumed was the front despite the odd fenestration. The interior is fancier than I would have guessed. And nicer. When I was young, people from the area said Will Geer, Grandpa from the Waltons, was living in this house, renting it, but I don’t know if that was true or not. It’s interesting that they say it was built by a brickmaker named James Garner because the village just south of this is Garnerville, and it’s named after the Garner Print Works that were there for about a hundred years. My great grandparents lived there for a time. I wasn’t aware of any Garner brickyards being in the area, so I’ll have to look that up.

    Anyway it’s a very cool house and well worth restoring I would think. The location is odd. It sort of sits right on the road at the back door, but the only traffic is from people going to the shrine, so it should still be fairly quiet. The big colonial stone mansion that’s further down the drive at the Marian Shrine is kind of my dream home but that’s obviously never gonna happen for me.




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  8. Oh, I would love to haunt this house. That first interior pic, I had to do a double take to determine whether that was a full length mirror between the windows or an elaborate tromp l’oeil painting.




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    • It’s already haunted, trust me. I lived with Cipe’s son, Tom, for several years and spent many weekends there when we would visit from the city. She was a legend with very particular tastes. The house is exquisite, but not for the faint of heart or light of wallet. Would love to see it restored and the kitchen updated…unless you are seriously into retro. When I visited, the kitchen and baths were straight out of the 50’s.




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  9. Anyone else notice the mannequin head in the window view from the attic picture? Kind of a creepy touch, but interesting




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  10. Dang, I am a huge fan of “frivolous aspects.”

    Gorgeous house, just what one would expect of Cipe Pineles (as a collector of vintage magazines, I’ve seen a lot of her work).




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  11. Second empire is my second favorite house style, only folk farm houses beat them for me




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  12. Simply breathtaking place. Perfect and not so far from NYC. But totally surrounded by a depressing suburban development.




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  13. This settles it … my favorite type of house is 2nd Empire! The exterior is fantastic,I love the arched doorways and doors, and the nooks. Just a great find! Wish it could be mine.




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  14. I not only love the house itself, I feel at home just looking at the photos, because whoever lives there has a familiar array of “stuff”—books everywhere, piles of magazines, shelves filled with an assortment of objects, and a random mannequin head. As Rick mentioned above, the photography is impressive. And the older photos are cool, too.




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  15. The photos are as interesting as the house. The attic, I would like to sit up there and look through all of the old magazines. I love this home, the price as well. Taxes are so high in NY, and eating etc…but I love NY state. This could be a wonderful home. If those walls could talk




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  16. Tell ya what, I see a HUGE garage sale in the near future…and am I the only musician who noticed the ’53 Tele with a later rosewood board neck??? Wow! And the black-and-white picture featuring the fireplace — what is that weird little sculpture in the foreground sitting on an end table?




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  17. Be still my heart. Like Daughter of George I am also a huge fan of “frivolous aspects.” This house should be high drama. It just screams to have some frivolous aspects put back into it. Oh my, oh my. A dream home for me.




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  18. -meant “heating” not eating-and the property taxes-
    Tax Information
    Tax Year: 2017
    Municipality
    Tax Amount: $14,356




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  19. The historic photos sure give you an idea of what the house once was and how life was lived there.




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  20. Really interesting comments.

    It is a fine house, but it is not possible for it to have been built in 1850, at least not in its present form. The architectural details, the cornice, the mansard, the dormer windows, all indicate a date at least 10 to 15 years later. It is even possible it was built as late as 1880. Perhaps the mansard and the bracketed cornice were alterations.

    Bainbridge Bunting, in his remarkable architectural history and survey, ‘The Houses of Boston’s Back Bay,’ has identified a French Renaissance style mansion he believed to be one of the earliest uses of the Mansard roof in America, and the home was built in the late 1840’s. The last time I researched Second Empire Mansard roofed houses and buildings, Mr. Bunting’s research held. My copy of the book is packed, but if I can locate it, I’ll post the reference. In my opinion, it is very unlikely that a brand new architectural style would have spread so far, so fast.

    The handsome mansard roof is going to require a lot of conservation. While the miss-matched slates should be replaced to recreate the roof’s original appearance, the broken slates must be replaced. This restoration may well require the stripping and complete rehanging of all the roof slates.

    The roof’s coping and moldings are also in poor condition. One very interesting detail is the gutter built into the cornice. Usually these were replaced with hanging gutters because of leaks. These gutters must be in good condition, because the cornice itself appears to be in surprisingly good condition, with little water damage.

    I hope whoever buys this house has the resources to recreate the lost porch. It was a very important element of the home’s early appearance.

    Apparently, those “frivolous aspects” removed did not include what appears to be a very nice cut glass gasolier in photograph 16. It’s great to have the photograph as a record, but sad that it’s no longer there.

    A really wonderful house. If only I had the income….




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    • You’re right. The “circa 1850” date is definitely too early. I would have guessed it’s more like 1870, or maybe a bit later. I haven’t found any brickyard owned by a James Garner from that period either – there were a ton of brickyards in the area during the 19th century and nearby Haverstraw was considered the brick making capital of the US – so maybe he was one of the Garners who founded Garnerville instead. Adding the porch back would not only be an appropriate restoration, it would provide a great place from which to enjoy the view of the Hudson in the distance.




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  21. CIPE GOLDEN BURTON, as I knew her to be, owned all the property on which my house and ten (10) other homes were built in 1964. She was a lovely woman and her son, Mr. Burton, used to play with his band in the barn. Thank you for the lovely pictures. The history with this mansion is for the history books of Rockland County for sure.




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  22. I attended the Culinary Institute Of America in Hyde Park during the years 1983 through 1985. While there, I fell in love with the region. It’s like a beautiful but unkempt seductress, luring you to become involved… I became involved in the preservation of a derelict mansion, but I still managed to graduate.

    If I were not in Southern California helping my very elderly mother, I’d probably be lost somewhere in the Hudson Valley….there is this astounding Gothic Revival cottage in Poughkeepsie… or perhaps that delightful Second Empire house in Glens Falls…




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  23. Curious to know about the huge wall to ceiling mirrors between the windows in three of the pictures, when they would have been installed? Talk about trying to make a room look bigger.
    If these wall could talk.




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  24. Interesting to read these comments – I’m the official historian of the Village of Nyack, right down the road from Stony Point, and a Realtor in Rockland County as well. I wanted to address the question of the structure’s age. The comments have been both correct and incorrect. In Rockland County we have numerous examples of homes that were built during a certain time period and then radically changed in later architectural periods (usually mid-to-late Victorian). For example, many of our 18th Century sandstone dutch colonials were extensively altered or added to in the 19th Century (particulary the 1820s, 1850s and 1870s). In certain cases, the original structure is almost engulfed by the later addition.

    Those who posted are correct, the Mansard Roof and cornice work are circa 1875 or so and could not have been there in the 1850s – however, records show the house in place back into the 1850s. The home did exist at the time, but likely as a two story brick structure with an extensive alteration and addition done sometime in the 1870s.

    As to costs and taxes – I’m sure to the rest of the country our taxes must seem staggering (we in Rockland mollify ourselves by remembering that no matter what, Westchester County’s are higher). Our taxes are the price we pay for living 12 to 25 miles from New York City, and yet seeming to be hundreds of miles away. One financial advantage we DO have is that restoring that home HERE is significantly easier than in many other places. As there is enough of this type of restoration (and frankly enough money) in the lower Hudson Valley artisans and contractors capable of doing this work well call this area home.




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  25. Thanks for the posting. Because of this we went up and checked it out and got all the way through to being the back-up offer (the 2nd highest). Obviously not the outcome we’d hoped for but none of that would have happened without this site. The house is a true gem.




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  26. This is one of the most interesting homes I have seen. I love the arches,corbels, dormer windows and all the faded paint. The brick is absolutely to die for. I would also love to snoop through all the items laying around-especially those magazines in the room with the head. And the idea that it is haunted (Maybe by Will Geer?, I loved him!) is even more intriguing. I hope if it is haunted the owner will make the haints happy with the remodel!




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  27. https://www.facebook.com/events/2065293540416170/

    Estate sale, Dec. 2-3

    …the unseen treasures of Cipe Pineles (Art Director for Vogue, Charm & Creator of Seventeen Magazine) & Bill Golden (Creator of CBS Eye Logo)…

    • Antiques • 1800’s Furniture • 50’s/60’s Furniture • Art Deco • Vintage Toys • Rare Books • Vintage Magazines • Fine Art • Prints • Glassware • China • Music Equipment • Instruments • Vintage Clothing • Textiles • Military • Signage • Collectibles •

    VIP PREVIEW: DEC 1, 12-5PM
    SALE DATES: DEC 2, 3, 9, 10, 9AM-4PM

    *** ENTER THROUGH MARIAN SHRINE & PARK ON RIGHT SIDE OF STREET ONLY ***

    THE GLAMOUR OF A NEWPORT MANSION MEETS BROADWAY & THE ARTS – Stony Point, Circa 1850. Imagine… Brick Baron James Garner built this French Maison with double brick construction, River Views & a 2 Story Barn, on a separate included deeded lot (3 Ewald Pl). Steeped in history with a flair of show business of the 20s, came Rollo Peters of NYC Theatre fame as the next owner. Through the passage of time, new owners Bill Golden (designed the famous CBS Eye) & wife Cipe Pineles (Art Dir., Vogue Magazine), added to this avalanche of splendor, mystique & character, “purging the house of frivolous aspects.” The Goldens remodeled & redecorated in “good judgement & taste,” in their eclectic style, creating more of a “Paris Manoir Romantique.” This home served as a stage for occasions that were memorable for everyone. While living here will definitely inspire the new ownership to creatively restore the faded patina of the past, this is truly a home that one can’t duplicate today, 40 mins to NYC… HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO SEE & PURCHASE THE HIDDEN TREASURES INSIDE!




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