Second Empire – Ingleside, MD

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Added to OHD on 5/8/16   -   Last OHD Update: 10/14/19   -   52 Comments

321 Saint Paul Rd, Ingleside, MD 21644

  • $150,000
  • 8 Bed
  • 1.5 Bath
  • 4838 Sq Ft
  • 3.4 Ac.
Huge Victorian home on over 3 acres of land - eight total bedrooms - plenty of space for everyone. Needs some work but could be a great renovation project! Slate roof, cast iron wraparound porch, several out buildings & more!
Contact Information
Scott Smolen, Re/Max Leading Edge,
(410) 721-9600


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52 Comments on Second Empire – Ingleside, MD

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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11734 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Anyone live nearby want to get get us some pics or find out the scoop?

    • Tara Terminiello says: 22 comments

      Im a dedicated lurker on this wonderful site and my husband and I are going to check out this house this weekend as we are looking for a fixer upper in that area….. Sadly, the prognosis isnt good…..the realtor describes it as a money pit that will need a 100 grand at least to get going again. It may very well be a real time capsule…never modernized….its not hooked up to public water or sanitation and only has one bathroom. It was sold for 115 in 2001 and is now in a trust….no one has done a thing with it for 16 years.There oughta be a law……its got three acres of beautiful land but its pretty far away from everything Rockville is 50 miles} so it needs a LOT of TLC and JUST the right people to give it….dont know if were the ones but Im interested to see just what KIND of renovation were talking about.Are the basic bones still good?? are the interiors gorgeous and worth saving??? does the roof leak?? foundations cracked?….are there termites the size of footballs? if I can take pix I will and share them.Wish me luck!!!

      • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11734 comments
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        1901 Folk Victorian
        Chestatee, GA

        Good luck! Hope it’s not as bad as all that.

        • Tara Terminiello says: 22 comments

          Im afraid its pretty bad. The house was purchased for 115000 in 2001 by a couple for their son, who I suspect lives there now. The house is in a trust and he lives in a couple of rooms that are still in an adequate state of preservation.Barely…the rest of the house is in a state of astounding disrepair, and its amazing that the authorities havent done something with it yet.Time,the elements,and realy bad human decisions have all taken their toll on this building and while it could {maybe} be retrievable…{anythings possible, with enough money} it wouldnt be worth it due to its extreme isolation and relatively boring interiors.
          Its always heartbreaking to see a damsel in distress, so to speak but if they tore this home down it honestly wouldnt be much of a loss{and this is me…the biggest Victorian home lover on the face of the planet speaking}.Although the outside of the white brick home was extremely handsome and ornate with a slate roof and the beautiful wrought iron porch trim the interior is remarkably unadorned and very boxy with no room being more than 12 by 12. The ceilings are low, the fireplaces run of the mill .It was obviously very much a hard working farm house with very little of the graciousness and ornamentation you would normally associate with a house from this era. In fact, if I didnt know better, I’d think it was an 1810 house that was encapsulated at some point with an 1880s brick exterior. Did they ever do that?It would be a charming house inside and out if it had been taken care of through the decades, but, as it stands for the money it would take to fix this lady you could buy a 10 bedroom Queen Ann with a carriage house and all the original furniture.

          • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11734 comments
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            1901 Folk Victorian
            Chestatee, GA

            Thanks Tara! Uploaded your photos to the post. Appreciate it!

            • John Shiflet says: 5402 comments

              Thanks for the added photos and condition report, Tara. I agree if there isn’t some immediate intervention to reverse the deterioration, the house may be lost. I noted in one ceiling photo very heavy ceiling joists. Those, as well as some of the fireplace details, suggest to me an 1840-1850’s (or earlier) origin with Second Empire stylistic updates probably from the 1860’s. A very determined and motivated restorer with an ample budget might be able to bring it back but its now squarely in the labor of love category. At least with the added photos, prospective buyers will have a better idea about what they would be getting into. Good luck to you and your husband on finding that perfect Victorian house.

              • Tara Terminiello says: 22 comments

                I really enjoy reading responses like yours….very informational. One person was kind enough to have posted a history link on the house which goes into serious detail on the history and architecture…its had a lot of rehabs in the past….but sadly…..Id be interesting to hear an estimate on if and how much it would take to get it going again!!!

                Unfortunately, other complications exist…theres a rather vague ide of who owns the house and a thorough investigation into the title is warranted which seems unfair to me….if youre gonna offer to buy someones house THEY should present you with a nice new shiny title search, why should the buyer do the digging?? what if you find out the house{which is in a trust, yikes} is hopelessly entangled in all sorts of legal mumbo jumbo?? you spend a few hundred dollars and find out gee….cant buy it anyhow….and then, you have to hire a contractor and an inspector to see if the place is even livable……..

                • John Shiflet says: 5402 comments

                  Tara, most properties, old or otherwise are sold with a guaranteed clear title. That is what title companies and title insurance are for. Of course, their services are not free but a title search and title insurance are customarily closing costs expenses. (called “Escrow” costs out in California) Closing costs are usually split between the buyer and seller on an agreed upon percentage by both parties. Given the photos, (I saw obsolete knob and tube wiring in the photo of the heavy ceiling beams) the house would need immediate roofing attention, probably some foundation and structural work, a porch rebuild, and whatever the buyer’s budget allows for interior upgrades and cosmetic work. Probably between $75K and $125K to make it habitable but hidden issues, which many old houses in this condition often have, could easily increase those figures. A full restoration would probably be over $250K. Best to have a full inspection report by a Home inspection professional familiar with old houses to provide a more realistic figure.

                  • Tara Terminiello says: 22 comments

                    yeah, we figured as much….needs just the right person…maybe someone with a horse or two who loves the land?? the realtor essentialy said that the land was 175…the house is thrown in for free.

                  • Tara Terminiello says: 22 comments

                    and its weird that within the same building you have a couple of rooms that are decently habitable, clean, heat, air conditioning, plumbing fine and dandy….and the next room over the plaster’s down all over the floor and you’re ankle deep in mouse droppings.

            • Tara Terminiello says: 22 comments

              You have a great site. I like the fact that youre willing to post the not- so -hot- warts- and- all- pix…it makes the rehabbed rescued ones all the more appreciated.You realize how much love and $$$$$ goes into doing this.

      • Sandra says: 324 comments

        Fantastic photos, Tara! I enjoyed the one of the little outdoor statue, the kids on the bench. Even the poor bench is broken. It’s a shame that the people who were living there couldn’t keep up with the repairs.

  2. BethanyBethany says: 3324 comments
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    1983 White elephant
    Escondido, CA

    Oh this one makes my heart go pitter pat. What a dream–a huge neglected Italianate Victorian in the middle of a lot of land!!!!!!!

  3. Ed Ferris says: 311 comments

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a cast-iron porch on a Second Empire. Can’t see it these pix, for the vines.

    • says: 2048 comments

      The vines need to be the first think on the list to be removed. If left in place, they will tear the porch off.

      • John Shiflet says: 5402 comments

        Here’s a rare 1850’s iron porch trim survivor in Centre County Pennsylvania: (an old Inn virtually untouched) https://www.flickr.com/photos/11236515@N05/albums/72157618669117473 It was less common to see cast iron porch supports and embellishments after the Civil War but they were relatively common in the late Antebellum period. (1850’s…think of the French Quarter in New Orleans) I too would be curious to see what survives here. I hope the realtor sees these posts and will provide a few interior photos…”as is” versions are fine.

  4. van says: 1 comments

    I love 2nd empire style. It’s almost close enough to DC. Sure would like more pictures.

  5. Dale Neighbors says: 1 comments

    I grew up in the area – although not much left of the little town now – and remember visiting the owners of that house with my grandmother. It was the most elegant house in Ingleside, with a beautiful boxwood garden. It sits close to the road in the very center of town. The phrase “needs some work” is probably an understatement, but I certainly would love to see it returned to its former glory.

    • SuzyQ says: 1 comments

      Dale you are correct. I live about 20 minutes away and this house has been left to its own demise for at least 15 plus years. If I get a chance I will try to see if I can get inside and take pictures. Based on the condition it will sit for awhile unless drastically reduced. A lot of work on this one.

    • Laurie W. says: 1771 comments

      That breaks my heart, Dale. You were lucky to see it in its best days — it sounds like a true prize, and I hope hope hope could be again if the right person happens by. Interior pics would help, for heaven’s sake!

  6. KarenZKarenZ says: 1198 comments
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    I have been spoiled by this site–I really need to see inside pics!!! Looks like some great acreage with this. too! Unfortunately, not close enough to me, but I hope that someone takes Kelly up on her request for some scoop!

  7. MonicaG says: 170 comments

    This looks like the ultimate dream restoration job. More pics please.

  8. Traci says: 7 comments

    I love this house!!!

  9. chichcipox says: 220 comments

    Oh boy does this one call to me. Not just the house but the grounds. I’m one of those odd buyers where the grounds have to call to me first. If the land, lot, or whatever it’s on doesn’t call my name it’s hard for me to really get behind the house but the grounds of this one are screaming to me from some place beyond.

  10. Ronda says: 24 comments

    This could be my “forever and ever” home! Kelly, you find just the most perfect homes and I keep looking for one in/around Tulsa EVERYDAY!

  11. jeklstudio says: 1121 comments

    Jeez, how bad could it really be? There must be someone living in it. There are plastic trash cans behind the little building…maybe the realtor could get pics if we pushed on him a bit. LOL.

  12. Chris says: 625 comments

    This could be an interesting find – I hope someone gets some good interior shots! I thinkI would have to own the fields across the road if this were mine. I’ve seen too many chicken houses and convenience stores pop up in unfortunate spaces.

    This reminds me of the poem The House By The Side Of The Road. Written in 1898 the poem, in part, explains why people would want to live so close to a road. It was popular and would often be reprinted and Edwardian families would hang a framed copy on the wall. https://www.alsintl.com/resources/poetry/the-house-by-the-side-of-the-road/

  13. Melody says: 569 comments

    I love Second Empires!

    I bet there is some wonderful gems hiding in that house.

  14. Ken Darney says: 81 comments

    Solid flemish bond construction. And those barrel dormers are awesome. I to would love
    to see the inside. You get the sense that this house has good bones. I live about an hour from Ingleside. Unfortunately it’s in the middle of nowhere.

  15. Kristi says: 50 comments

    This house is about 2 hours from me. I have a realtor friend in Ocean City, MD. I hoped he might know the realtor, but he doesn’t and this house is too far for him to go photograph it for us (he’s not a kindred spirit.)

  16. SuzyQ says: 78 comments

    I left 3 messages for the realtor to call me back so far not even a call back. Maybe they are not ready to show the house. I will keep trying.

  17. SuzyQ says: 78 comments

    I tried his office twice and his mobile the 2nd time. I will keep trying.

  18. Monique says: 1 comments

    I actually reached him by calling all 4 numbers (incl. The one on Zillow) in a row. He says he will call me back after he finishes a showing of another property. *crosses fingers*

  19. pamibachpamibach says: 125 comments

    Oh I so want to tackel this restoration!

  20. TTTricia says: 2 comments

    Longtime lurker, first time commenter. Last summer the gps took me a weird way to get to Rehoboth and I passed a beautiful, run down house that made me dream wildly of buying it and fixing it up. It’s location seems about right to be the same house. Given my complete lack of experience restoring homes I have a feeling this would be too big of a project, but wow would I like to!

    How did you all become so knowledgeable? My sister and I are considering buying a weekend home and I’d prefer an old place we can work on restoring (but in good enough condition to stay in while we do it.) Do you have any advice for us?

  21. John Shiflet says: 5402 comments

    TT Tricia,
    First, never go by price alone to determine the suitability of a given property. A house for one dollar is hardly a bargain if it will cost another $250,000 to make it habitable. Best to first visit the property. If you like what you see and the house needs work, spend a few hundred dollars up front and have a professional house inspector do a thorough inspection and provide a condition report noting all areas needing attention. Based on what is necessary to make the house livable to your standards, obtain estimates from licensed and bonded tradespeople/contractors to have at least a ballpark number to work with. If the house still looks like a good buy based on the information obtained, then confidently make an offer. Worst is to look at a bargain property, impulsively buy it, and then discover it will cost many thousands of dollars to make it livable. Keep in mind that old houses especially are known for inflating the renovation budget because of things you don’t see at first like hidden water or termite damages. Seems like a lot of fuss and homework but buying a home is likely the biggest expense you’ll ever have so due diligence is called for. The property above would be best for an experienced house restorer who knows what to expect rather than a novice restorer. A last important item: totally gutting the inside of an old house is often a recipe for financial disaster unless a contractor with an experienced crew has signed a contract that includes such extensive work. When do-it-yourselfers completely gut a house at some point they may have an epiphany or moment of clarity when they realize they have gotten themselves in way over their heads. Disillusionment, abandonment of the house, and selling what was to be a dreamhome for a firesale price is often the outcome. Avoid such nightmares by approaching the buying of an old house intelligently in a methodical, step-by-step manner. Put another way, be aware of what you are getting into before you make an offer. Good luck with your old house search.

  22. Claudia says: 28 comments

    Such a beauty! Potentially you could work in Annapolis or Baltimore but expect a 45-1.5 hour commute one way depending on time of day and time of year time of year (heading home on a Friday afternoon in the summer and you’ll be stuck in traffic FOREVER behind weekend beach goers) PLUS you have to cross a toll bridge. That being said commutes in the Baltimore/DC area are often that long and it isn’t atypical to find people commuting from PA, VA, and WV for jobs in Baltimore and DC. Granted that’s part of why I moved away, I was not longer interested in long commutes and rush hour traffic. Besides, the area where I grew up and lived (Howard County) was getting to be prohibitively expensive. However this part of MD is still affordable and this isn’t actually TOO far away to commute to a big city for work. Even better if you are able to work from home but yes, as others have said, it would indeed be a labor of love.

  23. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11734 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Looks like maybe it sold, $115,000.

  24. John Shiflet says: 5402 comments

    Given the extreme need for attention and repairs on this house, the selling price seems reasonable. I’m curious to learn if the buyer intends to restore/renovate the house or perhaps has other plans for the site? If the buyer or buyers intend to renovate the house, first would be to do a general cleanup of the house, (save any bits and pieces from the house itself) basement, (if there is one) and dense vegetation around the house. Second would be to start at the roof and make it watertight; otherwise, any additional work done inside could be ruined by leaks. Check for foundation soundness before moving on to any structural issues. Systems (plumbing, electrical, HVAC) should be next with cosmetic work last.

    Even for a seasoned restorer, this house would be a challenge. I’m also curious about the costs of renovating this house and property so hopefully the buyer or buyers will check in and post about their experiences. I wish them the best of luck and if bringing the house back is their plan, I also applaud them for saving a piece of history.

  25. says: 1 comments

    This particular house I have to say is so neat in person. A little background on the house my friend her husband’s grandparents owned this house years back. My friend had told me about some of the history of the house like for instance that back in the slavery days this house may have been part of the UGRR. Being the adventurer I am her and I met at the house one day, I live just down the road from the house. Well we tried to get in the house and our first attempt failed. We walked the around to try to get in the backside and it almost worked but the door was stuck. Note we fought through over growth to get up on the porch around back. Finally we figured if we can’t get in this way let’s try the basement way….well the house has a basement and a cellar. We ended up in the cellar which used to be the slave quarters. You go down about 8 steps and I front of you is just a room go back to the steps and your in a long hallway following the hallway it opens to a sunken room all brick and concrete. This room is probably 12×12 and the ceiling is probably 6ft or 7 ft tall and in this room it is built up around the room about about 1ft like a bench on the wall where the hallway comes into the room there is a old smaller brick fireplace and its opposite the fireplace there is a small opening with probably the original door to another room. This room is a even bigger but the ceiling is a little lower. The floors are brick and dirt there is a large old fireplace opposite the door and old shelves hanging from the ceiling with old Mason jars that may have had stuff in them I couldn’t tell because it was dark down there and I was using my cellphone flashlight. Along the walls though you could see the holes where chains used to be in the wall for the slaves and the scratches they left behind too. In the room I found a very old worn medical book from the early 1900 as well as another book. Needless to say I took both with me that day because I thought the house was abandoned. My friend and I went back to the front porch and tried the front door which had the old crank doorbell. We tried to get in and couldn’t….until my friend threw a shoulder in to the door. We walked inside and we were inside less than 5 minutes and I realized that indeed someone did live there because the computer light was on. Nobody was home thank God. We left but stopped to talk to the neighbor who lives in a old church right across the street from the house and he was surprised that someone lived there. I did some digging and found out the owner at the time was a general contractor and I was angered because your a contractor with this potential beautiful house and it looks like this!

    So every now and then I’ll drive by the house and within the last few months the new owners have cut down the overgrowth around the back, they ended up removing part of the front porch I’m hoping it’s to rebuild it and put the wrought iron rails back up. I will go by there one day when someone is there and ask them what the plan is with the house and see if I can get a full tour of the home

    • Robert Mansfield Custom Design Remodeling and Renovation says: 1 comments

      This house was never part of the under ground railroad. As a matter of fact a slave who escaped from here became one of the first African American lawyer. I’m currently restoring this house.and would like the books back you stole from my property

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