Ross Township, PA

Added to OHD on 8/23/11   -   Last OHD Update: 4/12/20   -   23 Comments
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140 Rock Ridge, Ross Twp, PA 15209

  • $174,900
  • Sold for $105,000
  • 7 Bed
  • 1 Bath
  • 3912 Sq Ft
  • 3.5 Ac.
This large victorian is located in the Evergreen Hamlet plan of Ross Twp. With some rehab this home can again be the stunning beauty it once was. Enjoy the privacy that this 3.9 acre property has to offer. With 7 bedrooms and 3 levels of living space, there is plenty of room to stretch out here!

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23 Comments on Ross Township, PA

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  1. John Shiflet says: 5450 comments

    Good bones but those taxes are killer and would be a deal-breaker for me.

  2. Mark says: 145 comments

    That’s about 5 minutes from me.

    The county page gives a build date of 1900. Surely wrong.
    Appraised at $372,000. Just shows how screwed up are county appraisal system is.

    Further details list the house style as contemporary and the condition as A+(new houses usually don’t even have that).

    Can’t imagine anyone will buy it around here for more than about $125000 ….and that would be with a much more reasonable tax. As it stands, seems unlikely.

  3. Mark says: 145 comments

    The overall dollar amount isn’t nearly as much, but as a percentage of property value where this house is located, we might still win the tax capital status.

    From a local paper(Pittsburgh)….

    “For instance, Westchester County, N.Y., led the nation with a median property tax bill of $9,044, and it had a median home value of $544,700. If Allegheny County’s rate were applied to Westchester County’s home value, the median bill there would be even higher, almost $11,400.”

    You can file an appeal of the assessment, but the current homeowner has not.

    • John Shiflet says: 5450 comments

      Uh…yeah. Nice personal decorating business advert page (Decorating Den franchise) Do you decorate historic homes too?

  4. Ernie says: 12 comments

    I think your estimated age is correct. The large bay windows, shallow “Gambrel” style roofline and truncated tower is characertistic of the late 50’s and would have been used up until the 1870s when the taller steeper Second Empire “Mansard” style roof line came into fashion. The geometric shaped ceiling medallion also 1850’s/60’s in style.

    • Jason says: 1 comments

      As a neighbor, I do know a little about the property.
      The home was built well after the other original five Italianate Victorians of the 1850s. Mather Cridge(?) built the home in the 1870s into 1880s. The home has been in the same family for near 100 years. It is truly an opportunity for the true Victorian lover to start with a blank pallet.
      The “truncated tower” was cut down, removing a balcony and peaked roofline when the roof was replaced several years ago by the current family.

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      • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 937 comments
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        1901 Folk Victorian
        Chestatee, GA

        Awesome, thanks for the info. I can’t imagine what it looked like before the tower was modified, I bet it was stunning back in the day.

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      • Jess says: 2 comments

        Jason, as the current owner, I would love to get detailed information on what the roof, tower, and balcony looked like before it was removed.

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  5. Ernie says: 12 comments

    Ryan since you appear to be an architectural buff if you can find a link compare the original 1850’s look of the Newport RI “Cottage” Chateau Sur Mer prior to its total Second Empire makeover design in two phases by Richard Morris Hunt in the 1880’s. It provides a very clear differential between Gambrel and Mansard style roof lines. This house greatly reflects the former version.

  6. Ryan says: 470 comments

    Ernie, I know what you’re saying and don’t necessarily disagree with the idea you’re proposing, but I personally wouldn’t call any double hipped roof that covers an entire building a gambrel. To me, a gambrel doesn’t cover an entire building like a mansard does. A gambrel always has exposed gable ends, like the ones usually seen on so-called “Dutch Colonial” houses. It seems to me I may have read that some Europeans call any double sided roof a gambrel, including some mansards, but I’ve never heard “gambrel” used in this country except for houses with gable ends. So that’s what I’m going by. Otherwise, what sets apart a gambrel roof from a double hipped roof?

    I have been to Chateau Sur Mer and remember seeing sketches of the original house compared to Hunt’s later remodel. I didn’t say this out loud while I was taking the tour, but I really thought the original roofline was much more graceful. I honestly preferred the few original interiors that remained there too. But it’s an awesome house still. Richard Morris Hunt was paid to wow people, and he always got the job done!

    Also, it seems to me that mansard roofs in this country don’t necessarily follow a set pattern when it comes to their construction dates correlating to their steepness. You’re probably correct that the later ones have a tendency to be steeper, but I don’t know if that’s really a rule. The very first residential mansard roof used in this country was, supposedly, on the Hart M. Schiff house on Fifth Ave. in New York. I’ve seen sketches of that one, and the roof was a full two stories tall and incredibly steep. Then there was a house in Newburgh NY built in the mid 1850s whose roof, which was always called a mansard, is not steep at all but was actually concave on the lower part. So, to me, any double hipped roof in the French style (though not necessarily limited to the Second Empire style, as the roof’s namesake, Mansart the architect died at least a century before France’s Second Empire occurred anyway) can be called a mansard roof. That’s how I roll anyway, but that’s just me. I don’t mind other people using other names for them, and I swear won’t yell at you if you want to call it a gambrel:)

  7. ernie says: 2 comments

    Ryan in this case, I think I would prefer to settle on the term “Victorian Eclectic” as this particular structure could have been influenced by a mix of whatever the current predominant or transitional fashion was in vogue at the time it was built. Or, “modernized” by a succession of owners who left bits of the old when adding the new.

    On Hunt, Despite his fame for dazzling monumental public and private structures, in his personal memoirs, he always claimed that his favorite domestic commissions were modest unassuming Eastlake Stick Style Victorian cottage-like homes he designed and built for upper middle class clients long before being saddled with the ever increasingly large stone palaces that were to follow towards at the end of his career. Sadly few survive to this day and are largely unrecognized.

  8. Rayanne says: 2 comments

    hi jason do you have photos of what the tower looked like before? I would love this house! If its still around next summer I may purchase.

  9. Mark says: 145 comments

    $160,000 now at the end of 2011. Still high considering the fixer upper condition and that you could find equivalent houses in neighboring communities similar in price that don’t need restored.

    I like that the $10000+ in yearly property tax is low compared to the $21000+ for the neighboring house you linked.

    I was just browsing a 35 acre historic home in VA with several outbuildings and the yearly property tax was $942.

  10. CP says: 14 comments

    I wonder how this house is doing now.

    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11931 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      I don’t know. I’d be interested to know if the new owners were going to tear down and build a new home or do something with what is there. I looked around the Allegheny County website to see if I could find any searchable database for permits of any sort (sometimes you can find out if a demolition permit was submitted) but did not find anything, maybe I just didn’t look hard enough.

  11. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11931 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Updated with new pics of the progress!

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  12. Rayanne says: 2 comments

    Great!! I love to see this house be in its glory again! Hope to see some of the inside if your willing to share. Thanks to the new homeowner!

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  13. Jen Spaker says: 1 comments

    I lived next door to this house as a child. We loved it, but I was a bit afraid of it because it was so big, old and run down. I lived next door in the 1970’s. My brother and I loved to sled ride down a small hill, across the driveway and into their field! It is a gorgeous home!

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  14. Mark says: 145 comments

    I’d just like to say that $105k was a good price for this home. You often can’t buy three acres of usable land around the North Hills area of PGH for that price. I’ll never make a good bargain house shopper because if someone is asking a certain price, I wouldn’t even believe that they would consider half the asking price.

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