1865 Italianate – Fort Plain, NY

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Added to OHD on 11/2/17   -   Last OHD Update: 11/3/19   -   34 Comments

66 Mohawk St, Fort Plain, NY 13339

  • $12,900
  • 3256 Sq Ft
This home was originally a 4 unit, currently a shell. This is a perfect property for the handyman. Would be a great multi family or a large 1 family home.
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Laurie Weingart, Krutz Properties,
(518) 673-2820


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34 Comments on 1865 Italianate – Fort Plain, NY

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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11723 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    I just felt sorry for this one. ๐Ÿ™‚

    BTW, I don’t think it’s actually tilted in real life, I think it’s just an illusion. Street view doesn’t show such a tilt.

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  2. Steve H says: 159 comments

    It’s rather oddly proportioned with all of that space between the second floor windows and cornice. I wonder if it was an older structure that was later expanded and updated in the Italianate style. I think it would actually look better if those attic frieze windows were extended down further. A little tilting in an old house is not such a big deal, unless you play marbles competitively

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  3. RobynMeRobynMe says: 116 comments
    1907 George F. Barber
    Hamlet, NC

    If the taxes aren’t 50% of the asking price, we could pass around a hat?
    Really does look like the house is leaning left and the porch leaning right.

    I think Steve is correct, this was an older Victorian that got an Italianate top off. My only other wild theory is that the blank space looks about the right size for a mansard roof. I can’t imagine any architect or builder of that era designing it the way it is now.

    Sorry is a good word for this one.

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  4. Hoyt Clagwell says: 256 comments

    I think it’s kind of the other way around. I think this was once a grander Italianate that’s had its facade stripped of some parts. The bay windows and frieze are original, rather elaborate, and if you ignore the rest of the facade and just look at the bay windows and cornice/frieze, they’re well proportioned. However, the rest of those double-hung windows are clearly much later–they’re very generic and just don’t match up to the elaborately trimmed windows on the bays. And while some parts of that porch may be original, I believe it’s been heavily altered if not wholly a later addition.

    Also, looking at other Italianates in Fort Plain, that tall attic with the wide space between the second story windows and the frieze seems to be a local style:
    https://ap.rdcpix.com/884546914/eb5986ff5ef51ebb3aa1a8b2cc0ee1c1l-m0xd-w1020_h770_q80.jpg

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  5. CharlestonJohn says: 1045 comments

    I believe Mr. Tractor is correct. The windows appear out of proportion for a good Italianate design, which the frieze detail indicates this was. I’m guessing there’s something missing above the lintels, or more likely, the windows were replaced and reframed.

    This map is next to useless, but the subject does seem to appear as the third to the last house on Mohawk. Zoomed way in, you can sort of see the window detail is drawn similar to the house to the right and doesn’t look odd. Or maybe I’m just seeing things.
    http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/163942/Fort+Plain+1891+Bird+s+Eye+View+24×33/Fort+Plain+1891+Bird%27s+Eye+View/New+York/

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    • Steve H says: 159 comments

      I disagree. If you look at the house, the first two floors are very squat. Also the composition of the faรงade is odd, spacing of the windows, the way the bay window is squeezed to the side, etc. It all suggests an older house. If someone had gone through the trouble to replace and reframe all of the windows, it’s unlikely that they would have left the bay window untouched.

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      • HollyLiz says: 49 comments

        And if you look at the height of the first two floors and then look at the extension above the second floor, it’s easy to envision that there is a full third floor, not just an attic. The heights match.

  6. bathrickbathrick says: 45 comments

    I agree that the window replacements are out of proportion to the original design, causing the odd facade. Could be returned to a beautiful house, but likely to cost much more than the post restoration value.

  7. montana channing says: 256 comments

    whoever worried about restoration value that owned an old house. that’s not why we buy them and love them so much – it’s an incurable disease.
    space between second and third looks like there were windows there and they were removed and boarded over.
    i think this is in great shape for the price. i can’t buy a used Hyundai for that price. and it’s a blank slate. restore the outside and go where you want Ross style inside.

    shout out to Kelly for coming up with all these incredible houses on a daily basis -my fave blog ever – what’s Ross’s word – oh – gobsmacked!!!

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    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11723 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      Thanks! I just went through and cleared out a few emails making complaints that I posted too many houses, lol. It’s nice when I get a good opposite reaction! ๐Ÿ™‚

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      • Zann says: 568 comments

        There is no such thing as “posted too many houses.”

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      • CharlestonJohn says: 1045 comments

        Tell them to start their own site and they can post as few houses as they’d like. Damn ingrates. I don’t have time to look at everything you post, but I’m thankful for the effort, and I’m in awe of how you can get it all done.

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        • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11723 comments
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          1901 Folk Victorian
          Chestatee, GA

          LOL I wish I could share some of the messages I read through today, y’all would get a kick out of the crazy ones that think I’m their personal real estate agent or that I should time my posts around their schedules.

          Thanks. ๐Ÿ™‚

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          • Colleen J says: 1211 comments

            LOL I was just thinking, Kelly where are you!!! I’m missing the ones with a lot of houses … keep ‘ em coming LOL

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          • Colleen J says: 1211 comments

            If nothing else, at least this one has started up a great conversation! At that price it would be a wonderful project for a person with the heart and deep pockets. At my age, this would be one I would make 2 living dwellings, one to help with the mortgage payment and one to gloriously restore a room at a time.

    • Gregory Hubbard says: 446 comments

      I like that, ‘Ross Style.” Let’s make it official, like ‘Panel Brick style’ or ‘Stick style.’

  8. Actually, I suspect that this house was originally a duplicate of the house to the left. It lost its double story bay window and double story porch, but what is left of it looks a lot like it.

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    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11723 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      I was looking again and those were my thoughts too, that it had a double porch.

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    • JimHJimH says: 4867 comments
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      I wrote a post with the same gist before seeing that you mentioned the house to the left. The reworking of the facade here is unusually awkward, probably done by a landlord for minimum cost.

      Kelly, thanks for posting houses like this. Sad old houses are fascinating whether they can be restored or not.

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    • Michael Mackin says: 2043 comments

      I was looking at the proportions and it bothered me like everyone else……and then I read your post. The street view isn’t a great show but when you see the two houses side by side, your comments make perfect sense! Thank you bathrick for your keen observations!

      And I think this would be a great project for the price. I paid more for my last car….a used car at that!

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  9. JB says: 108 comments

    I have a “crooked” section on my house and wouldn’t change it for the world! lol LOVE a little crookedness w/ the wood, but….not when it’s a serious issue w/ a foundation. :-p p.s. Kelly ALWAYS finds interesting houses! Best site on the internet. Happy TGIF

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  10. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11723 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    The tilt everyone assumes, I still don’t think it’s tilting. Look at the street view, it looks solid besides the porch falling off.

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    • TXJewelTXJewel says: 360 comments
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      1920 Thurber Brick 4 Square
      Strawn, TX

      I agree Kelly. If you look at the house in relation to its neighbors, it looks level. I think the sagging porch and the goofy, uneven paint job give the poor girl a crooked appearance. I know how she feels! LOL!

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  11. priscilla says: 35 comments

    The lean looks mostly to be in the roof of the porch and not the structure as a whole. Probably to have the rain run away from the structure as a whole.

  12. Michael Mackin says: 2043 comments

    The house itself looks straight when you compare it to it’s neighbors. It’s the porch that seriously runs downhill!

  13. Maureen says: 20 comments

    Taking a walk down the street the house right next to it is the same design just the porch set up is different. You see all the brick houses then you have the twins (these two).

  14. Don from Manassas says: 51 comments

    Actually I’m not too sure that porch is original. I would actually remove it, especially since its probably wasted anyway. Then highlight the details of the house. It can be saved.

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