1895 – Saint Joseph, MO

Added to OHD on 6/22/17   -   Last OHD Update: 4/12/20   -   33 Comments
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504 N Noyes Blvd, Saint Joseph, MO 64501

  • $315,000
  • 5 Bed
  • 3.5 Bath
  • 5000 Sq Ft
  • 0.67 Ac.
Stunning 3 Story Historical Home on Noyes Boulevard. This home is a must see, tons of detail through out the home!! The main floor features large open foyer, living room w/ fireplace, hearth room w/ fireplace, formal dinning room, kitchen with island & granite counter tops, half bath & breakfast nook. 2nd floor features Master Suite, 2nd, 3rd & 4th bedrooms. 3rd floor features 5th bedroom/loft area. Exterior of the home features a wrap around porch, large yard with in-ground pool and a detached garage.
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Emily King, Keller Williams,
(816) 452-4200

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  1. John Shiflet says: 5470 comments

    Distinctive house here with some early 1900’s Prairie Style design details in the wrap-around brick porch. Noyes Blvd. is a major thoroughfare in St. Joe with a number of fine old mansion grade homes along the way. The pool is an unexpected feature as is the rare rib cage shower. The unpainted millwork is also a bonus. High quality finishes are seen throughout and no signs of neglect are evident as sometimes seen in some of St. Joseph’s old houses. With 5,000 sq, feet of space and FIVE bathrooms, many possibilities here.

  2. Bethany says: 3494 comments

    Love love love! My small town big brick house dream come true!

  3. TimothyTimothy says: 144 comments

    I always love those vintage showers!

    This is a beautiful home and is another fine example of yet another of the amazing homes that are found in St. Joe.

  4. lynsey says: 27 comments

    I love this house! The beautiful glasswork, those globe lights, the woodwork. Can anyone tell me what is up with that shower? I read above it’s a ribcage shower, never heard of that and have never seen such a thing; it actually looks quite scary.

  5. John Shiflet says: 5470 comments

    Ribcage showers were so named because the “ribs” were pipes coming from a central supply line (the “spine”) that wrapped around on two sides and each one had holes evenly spaced to bathe the individual with water both from the top shower ring as well as from the sides. Sort of like standing in blowing rain and perhaps an inspiration for the later Jaccuzis and hot tubs with their swirling waters. I’m not sure when they first appeared but the peak of popularity seems to have been in the first decade or two of the 20th century and then the novel shower design disappeared. No doubt all of the nickel plated pipes and complexity of installation and fittings resulted in rib cage showers being an expensive luxury. Therefore, about the only place there are still seen is in vintage luxury homes. One thing that amazes me is that the few I’ve seen are still functional after a century of use-perhaps standing as a testament to their quality and durability. I’m not aware of reproductions being made today but the multi-shower-head concept continues in some products from firms like Kohler. (and these modern versions are still expensive)

    • lynsey says: 27 comments

      Thanks John for answering my question about that ribcage shower; I can see now the similarities between the vintage shower and the modern versions that I’ve seen on TV. I still say they’re pretty spooky and if I lived in the time when these were popular and had the money for it, I still wouldn’t get one. I imagine those pipes would have gotten pretty warm and considering my penchant for being ridiculously klutzy (I once ripped open my hand on a toaster), having one of these showers would be disastrous for me. 🙂

    • says: 72 comments

      John, I just want to let you know how very much I always appreciate your very educational comments on any & all posts here on OHD. I always learn from you. Thank you for your kind sharing of your wisdom.

      • John Shiflet says: 5470 comments

        You are very welcome, Sandra. I’m always happy to share my passion for old houses with others. Too many worthy old homes are still being lost because not enough people have the resources or the willingness to save them. It mystifies me why folks still flock to buy cookie cutter houses out in the suburbs and pay more than they would for a larger period home with character and details unobtainable in modern homes.

        • says: 72 comments

          Thanks again, John, and I agree 110% with your beliefs, thoughts, and your bewilderment about folks still flocking to buy cookie cutter houses. I ask a favor of you, John – would you please got to the forum “Introduce Yourself” and read my post about relocating & saving my old home – I just went there and my verbiage post is there, but all the pics I uploaded are not – Kelly? Do you know where they are now, please & thank you? I can’t find them anywhere?? Help please.
          My favor is, John, once we know where the pics of my home are, will you please have a look at them and let me know what style you think She is? I would be very thankful to you. I’m asking this in this thread because otherwise I won’t know if you respond, as there aren’t comment notifications in the forums. Cheers.

          • John Shiflet says: 5470 comments

            Sandra, I cannot add much to what Jeff (Rosewater) has already stated. If a style label has to be offered, “Eclectic” or “Transitional” would work equally well. As Jeff mentioned, there are elements of several styles blended into the house design. The full width porch with the robust square posts, which was probably enclosed sometime not long after the house was built, is typical of early Craftsman-Bungalow type houses from c. 1900-1910. The interior divider columns, diamond paned “Colonial” windows, are characteristic of the Colonial Revival style as is the staircase with its Colonial “egg & dart” moldings and Federal style balusters. But the verticality characteristic of the Victorian era has given way to a more “modern” emphasis of horizontal massing. A residual element from the Victorian era is found in the gable shingles, a holdover from the Queen Anne style. The side bay is also a late Victorian holdover. The period between 1900 and 1910 was a period of design experimentation as many architects sought to develop new styles different from late Victorian designs. Yet, only a few were bold enough to create something completely different such as Frank Lloyd Wrights and his early Prairie Style homes. He had a wealthy clientele receptive to his novel design ideas which seemed revolutionary at the time. Other architects were more conservative in their approach so they incorporated a blend of current but competing styles to appeal to a wider market of homeowners. The early 1900’s were the heyday of planbook houses and while I cannot identify your design specifically it would not surprise me if the design provenance led back to a published design. Cheers for saving this one-moving houses is today often a very last resort (with demolition being the default “solution”) but moving should be just one of the alternatives available to save an old house. In the early 1900’s moving houses was very common, but since the 1950’s with houses being built on concrete slabs, fewer houses are being moved. (Please note: the house aforementioned is not this listing (above) but one owned and cared for by an Old House Dreams reader-see link)

            • says: 72 comments

              John, I truly can’t thank you enough for all this wonderful information that you have so kindly shared about the style of my house. Stated simply – it means a great deal to my husband David and me. We have been looking & researching and trying to figure it out for over 20 years now, to no avail. Everything that you shared with me makes perfect sense, now that you said it. 🙂
              Thanks also for your support of our saving it odyssey. I have heard from local old timers that yes, moving houses was much more common “in the old days” – many house moving businesses existed here until about the 1950’s…and in these parts moving houses continued past the 1950’s into the about the late 1960’s, likely because almost all of our homes built before then are on foundations with basements. Here, almost all new homes now are also built on foundations with basements – seems only the very few (like about 8 homes in total in our town of ~8,000 folks) that are 1960’s or so construction, are on concrete slabs.
              And – until I read this post of yours, I didn’t even know that Jeff had responded to my question, over a month ago – geesh – or that I could subscribe to forum comment notifications.
              So – all in all, a much appreciated wonderful bunch of learning for me. Thanks to all!
              And, as I type, I am listening to Christmas carols softly playing, and the snow is gently falling here in rural northern Minnesota, and the stars are shining brightly in the clear dawn sky – early Merry Christmas, everyone! Cheers.

            • says: 72 comments

              Hi again John – one more question about our house for you – when we gutted our kitchen to the studs and floor joists of the 2nd floor above it – we found (on the pristine Douglas Fir joists) beautifully hand written location notes (like calligraphy), such as “second floor east,second floor-whatever” etc.” – so, because of that, we were wondering if perhaps our house was a Montgomery Ward or ?? kit? I’ve researched for years online, looking for anything like our house in any old house kit plans, and haven’t had any luck finding anything remotely similar. And, we also realize that perhaps the old notes were just location reminders from the construction crew who built the home. I’m just curious as to what your thoughts on this point? Thanks again.
              Cheers,
              Sandra

              • John Shiflet says: 5470 comments

                Hi Sandra,
                A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours as well. Old time carpenters worked as a team. Typically, the master carpenter who had long ago apprenticed in his youth with a previous master carpenter, called out measurements and instructions to one or more apprentice carpenters who were learning the trade. The apprentices then hand cut the boards to the senior carpenter’s specifications (often using miter boxes for angle cuts) and presented them to the senior carpenter. To avoid costly and time consuming mistakes, apprentices would write down the senior carpenter’s specifications. The old time tradesmen took pride in their work, in the course of dismantling a fire damage house from 1909, I discovered a floor joist with the carpenter’s name and a date of February 1909 written in pencil. Other salvage discoveries have shown notations like “right side of bay window” and boards with other notations pertaining to location. The young men who did a lot of hand sawing wanted to get as many boards cut in the shortest time possible so they stacked cut boards with penciled notations so the installation carpenter would know where they went. Kit houses, from several firms beginning around 1908 shipped pre-cut materials in bundles by rail and each joist or stud was numbered with a stamp so the builder would look at a set of plans and know where it went. By pre-cutting measured boards, a lot of time was saved in the days before on-site electric power tools became available, That said, foot powered table saws became available in the latter Victorian era as did scroll saws, and even low speed table routers so some mechanization existed even before 1900. Millwork catalogs (such as the 1904 E. L. Roberts Catalog available as a facsimile reprint from Dover publications) offered pre-cut gable braces and ornaments, turned porch posts or Neo-classical columns, staircase assemblies and individual parts, as well as the lovely column dividers seen in your home. These factory manufactured pieces also saved assembly time on the work site. So too stained, leaded, and beveled glass windows and door/sidelight panes were made at a central shop and the designs were selected from the catalog by number. The cost was determined based on the customer’s measurements much as now are custom picture frames made in framing shops. In summary, the old time tradespeople did not have today’s sophisticated technology or machinery but they sought out the most efficient methods available to save time and money for themselves and their customers. The notations you found are part of your home’s history. Last, there was a brisk market for published house plans in the first decade of the 20th century. You might want to seek out (online sources such as Internet Archive and Google Books) planbooks by William Radford (1903) and Herbert C. Chivers, J.H. Daverman (Grand Rapids)by chance, your house might match one of these published designs. Then again, regional architects sometimes published small, limited distribution plan books so you may be looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. Good luck!

                • says: 72 comments

                  Wonderful, John. All this information you kindly shared is very welcome, and much appreciated. Cheers! 🙂

                • heidi says: 144 comments

                  Thank you for the info on builders. We just added some closets to our bedrooms (which previously had none) and I had the carpenter who worked on the project remove and reinstall the origional wood trim. I noticed it was written on JL Story… and didn’t know if that was the builder or the lumber yard. Now I think I know… 😉

    • LadyBelle says: 61 comments

      I didn’t even realize that was a vintage bathroom. I thought the owners had modernized and gone with the new full body showers that seem the rage these days. It’s always nice to learn when something is vintage to the house and yet is still that useful and amazing.

  6. Julie says: 107 comments

    That shower!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t think I’ve ever seen one of those in person. Wow.

  7. Tia P. says: 54 comments

    I would live like a Queen in this home! Flawless!

  8. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11832 comments
    Admin

    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    This has been on the site off/on since 2014, not sold yet. Got around to updating the photos and details, moved to the front page. Comments above may be older.

  9. RosewaterRosewater says: 6545 comments
    OHD Supporter

    1875 Italianate cottage
    Noblesville, IN

    Sad to see this one still sitting unsold. Saint Joseph seems to be a tough market at this price point, likely for reasons well discussed on previous threads. It’s a darn shame. This house has spectacular, early Arts and Crafts details: as does this one which did sell after a short while, (but it is THE cat’s meow IMO – so no surprise there);
    https://www.oldhousedreams.com/2014/03/13/1891-st-joseph-mo/

    • Scott Cunningham says: 394 comments

      This home is actually one of the mid to lower range homes available in St Joe. If you do a recon on Zillow you will find some truly stunning properties. St Joe is a buyers paradise for old homes. The houses you can get for $2-$300K are simply amazing. There are so many in the city that its tough to keep track of them all.

      That being said, St Joe is a place you have to go to WITH money. Don’t go there planning to earn it. The economy collapsed years back, and there are simply no decent jobs to be had. As a result, the city, and sadly its grand houses, has faded badly.

  10. says: 41 comments

    Have mercy. I am filled with longing-this is just too beautiful!

  11. Colleen J says: 1168 comments

    Something to be said about a big brick home up on a hill, and this one is no disappointment. WoW.

  12. EyesOnYou1959EyesOnYou1959 says: 276 comments
    Lincoln, NE

    OMG and WoW! What a beautiful home! I would buy this home for that massive
    front porch alone, lol!

  13. Lissie says: 264 comments

    Wowza what a house! Gorgeous woodwork and built-ins. Since most everyone is making comments on the shower I think its wild and cool.

  14. Karen says: 116 comments

    The Pittock Mansion in Portland, Oregon, has an original ribcage shower. As far as I know, it still works. The house is open to the public and well worth seeing.

  15. Sam says: 5 comments

    Amazing old home! Does anyone know what happened in st Joe in 2009/2010? The zillow home value graph shows this house being mid 300k in the early 2000s then peaks around 2.2 mil in 09/10 then drops back off to mid 300k again??

  16. sam says: 5 comments

    Gotya, thanks Kelly!

  17. Sandra says: 318 comments

    I prefer the older listing photos. 🙂 I’ll bet I’m not the only one who feels this way.

  18. JimHJimH says: 5120 comments
    OHD Supporter

    Interesting house! The Prairie Style porch addition is just a hint of the extensive makeover the interior received a decade or so after construction. There’s no going back to the Victorian era with this one!

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