c. 1870 Italianate – Champlain, NY

SOLD / Archived From 2017
Added to OHD on 1/5/17 - Last OHD Update: 2/14/18 - 44 Comments
Address Withheld

Map: Street View

Price

$86,000

Beds

6

Baths

3

SqFt

4838

Acres

3.5

This home is a handyman special. A massive old colonial from 1900. The home still keeps much of its old charm in the hardwood floors, fireplaces, crown molding and beautiful wrap around star case that greets you in the main foyer. The home needs work and vision, but you also get a separate living quarters that is connected and has 3 beds and 1.5 baths. Fix up and rent out. There is also a large carriage house out back. The property is 3.5 acres in the heart of the village and is surrounded by stone walls and large trees offering privacy and shade.
Sold By
Gaelan Trombley, Kavanaugh Realty      (518) 297-2821
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44 Comments on c. 1870 Italianate – Champlain, NY

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  1. Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 9369 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Maybe I need to create an OHD house fund to dole out to people that can get us some interior pics for houses like this when there are none.

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    • William says: 1 comments

      I grew up in this neighborhood and was neighbor to this house. It has remained
      with the same family for some 50+ yrs.until recently. It still has all of its
      original 1868 original details including 5 fireplaces,staircase, mahogany/walnut
      woodwork,ceiling moldings & medallians along with several rooms with parquetry.
      I have many photos of this amazing,beautiful, historic home inside.

  2. BobcatHannah says: 38 comments

    I am hyperventilating. I want this house. I want to live on the Canadian border. If only I could see the interior of this beauty.

    • GeoffreyPS says: 101 comments

      When you say on the the border, you aren’t kidding! I estimate it at 3000 feet away.

  3. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4439 comments

    Sorry, I see nothing “Colonial” about this house; it is a textbook example of the Italianate style popular from the early 1840’s until the 1880’s. This particular house appears to date from the late 1860’s to the late 1870’s. Arch topped windows, projecting bays, and rooftop cupolas were defining characteristics of this style and are present in this example. Even the carriage house has a cupola with eave brackets/corbels, adding to the Italianate flavor. That said, for the prospective buyer such stylistic details probably carry little significance but they do have meaning to old house lovers and historic preservationists. There have been some more recent alterations such as the garage doors on the carriage house and what appears to be an addition on the right side of the front facade. Hard to guess how intact the interior might be without photos to look at. The estate sized 3.5 acres add to the property’s appeal.

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    • gordon william reed says: 69 comments

      thank you for knowing what the word “colonial” means in architecture. i have been enjoying this site for about two years and wanted to say what you have said in your post. a little education would help this site be even more enjoyable…..and correct. tks.

      • GeoffreyPS says: 101 comments

        The word colonial is taken from the realtor’s listing. Kelly quotes them verbatim. She accurately listed the site as an Italianate in the heading.

        • Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 9369 comments
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          1901 Folk Victorian
          Chestatee, GA

          Thanks Geoffrey. I wasn’t sure if he meant me or just in general/agents. I may not be right to someone 100% of the time but I do my best when it comes to house styles.

          • Wanda in NC says: 62 comments

            And, as we know, knowledge of architecture is not in the real estate agent training. Sometimes the things they say are very interesting.

    • Celia Humeston says: 13 comments

      Thank you! (And Kelly. We *know* she knows her architectural styles! My first reaction was “Colonial? Really???”

  4. Bethany says: 2374 comments
    OHD Supporter

    Escondido, CA

    This immediately went on my favorite’s list and on my Pinterest “Heart’s desire” board! Brickorians are my absolute favorite. Best carriage house ever! I have got to see more pictures! Please, realtor gods, favor us with more . . .

  5. JimHJimH says: 3808 comments
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    P. F. Dunning’s fine house, on the 1869 map and in the local book with a nice old photo:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=dh7owI9rGe8C&pg=PA42
    http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/1606339/Champlain/
    http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=149944701

    Pliny Fiske Dunning (1833-1875) and his older brother George were sons of a carpenter, and all they were all lifetime residents of this little village near the Canadian border. George ran a successful hardware business and Pliny worked as assistant until he was old enough to become full partner. Pliny was Town Clerk of Champlain and on the board of the local prison, but died young at 41.

    • Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 9369 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      Thank you for finding the old pic!

      • RossRoss says: 2311 comments
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        1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
        Emporia, KS

        The above house is not the same one you posted, Kelly.

        It is the house two doors away:

        https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9909937,-73.4446133,3a,75y,71.87h,78.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sL6KRwOOluG7w8vsO3_Rhhg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

        • Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 9369 comments
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          1901 Folk Victorian
          Chestatee, GA

          They look the same! Ok…well, ignore that pic. But I’ll leave it because it’s still cool.

          • JimHJimH says: 3808 comments
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            At least the photo shows how these houses should be painted!

            My bad. The very similar house posted was built about the same time by P.F. Dunning’s brother-in-law, Frank L. Channell. Of Scottish and English blood by way of Quebec and Boston, Frank worked with his father, dry goods merchant Leon Lalanne Channell, in the nearby village of Peru. At age 28, Frank is found “retired” in the featured home here with his wife Sarah Dunning and their children Frank Jr. and Nellie. On 14 Apr 1870, he sold the house to Sarah’s brother George for $6000, went to work for him, and the two families lived together here until George’s untimely death in 1881.
            These Dunnings seem to have collected attractive homes, perhaps because their father was a local builder. George’s home prior to buying this one was down the street:
            https://goo.gl/maps/ZC4RRG7DGkz

  6. RossRoss says: 2311 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    My heart stopped at the first image.

    $86K for THIS????????

    AND 3.5 acres?

    AND a carriage house?

    AND on a lovely street?

    Oh my. I need my smelling salts.

  7. nycsmf says: 194 comments
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    1969 Regency
    Nashville, TN

    This is a beauty. And the carriage house is amazing. Too bad there are no interior pics. I’m dying to remove the addition to the right side of the front facade; the brick matches well, but oh, that window shape (hello 1950s!). Realtors must be bummed when they aren’t able to include interior pics. I certainly am.

  8. Michael MackinMichael Mackin says: 1165 comments

    I found myself waiting for interior pictures of this beauty……and they didn’t appear. It’s like reading the first part of a great novel and never finding out how it ended! It’s a stunning bricktorian, as Bethany would say!

  9. wclark4000 says: 5 comments

    This one has driven me to finally leave a comment… I too find myself contemplating how I might be able to support myself in WAY upstate N.Y., but unfortunately I’m also contemplating how the lack of interior shots and the ‘handyman special’ text may very clearly explain the price point…

  10. Elizabeth Owen says: 12 comments

    Hope you’ll be able to post William’s interior photos! 🙂

  11. Glorybe says: 149 comments

    This lovely Beauty reminds me of my grandmother’s house in Western New York! My memories of playing hide-n- seek in the house are precious…

    It makes my imagination run wild thinking of the interior and what it must be like.Seems like it’s priced to sell.

    I love the bricktorian too!

    Now, we only need to find one place to call HOME near our zip code-14227. Seriously, looking for a victorian with lots of charm for a great price. Currently, renting a lakehouse on Silver Lake & looking at cottages here & charming beauties in the area too.

  12. SueSue says: 1176 comments
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    1802 Cape
    ME

    Sometimes I think certain realtors just don’t care about old homes. (We saw it when we put this house on the market about 7 years ago.) Low price on this house has the commission be low and it is as if they just cannot be bothered to market it as it should be. I mean they call it a Colonial. Truly in one paragraph William said more than the listing realtor!!!

  13. Johnny Case says: 6 comments

    House is currently “under contract” or so says the realtor.

  14. Colleen Johnson says: 1272 comments

    Oh gosh I want to see interior pictures of this so badly!!!!!!

  15. Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 9369 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Thanks William, he was able to send in 3 photos although I’m not sure how old they are.

  16. KarenZ says: 816 comments
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    I don’t care what is inside–for that beautiful house with that huge square footage, land AND carriage house, I don’t think that it will be on the market long!

  17. MazamaGrammy says: 344 comments

    I’d like to see more pictures also, but my initial thought is that this could be beautifully restored and redecorated.Price seems reasonable depending on what repairs may be needed.

  18. GoddessOdd says: 344 comments

    I fell instantly and irretrievably in love with this beauty, everything about her speaks directly to my heart, but I grow cautious when I see really low prices with no interior photos. True, 86k is a great price, even for just the 3.5 acres, but WHY? Last time I found a house with a “too good to be true” price, deep research showed that the land adjacent was under contract to a giant big box retailer. In my opinion, even if the house required 200k in repairs, this would still be a bargain, but I would want to do a lot more research on this lovely. LOVE LOVE LOVE her though! Kelly has found us a great many houses with interiors that would require a LOT of love, and the realtors have been honest enough to show photos of what you’d be taking on, and point out that the price reflects condition. As far as I am aware, this doesn’t seem to hinder sale, generally. Wish all realtors were so enlightened.

  19. LorenN says: 102 comments

    Property and Home appear (with few photos) to be a Steal of a Deal for some lucky Restoration buyer to have! OOOhhh, I swooned over the round table and the chairs in the soft “pink room”. That BRIGHT Nautical Blue carpet on the entry stairs is truly right in your face – rip out immediately or leave it to protect the stairs while renovations are on-going. LOVE the STONE WALL, driveway and Carriage House. Canadian Border is a lot to Brrrr…for this Californian.

  20. Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 9369 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Sad news. Burned a few days ago.

    http://www.pressrepublican.com/news/firefighters-battle-champlain-fire-in-frigid-temperatures/article_781980be-facd-11e7-81f2-af5e88c0d7e9.html

    (I mark it demolished, doesn’t always mean intentional.)

  21. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4439 comments

    Truly sad. When I lived in St. Joseph, MO, a younger couple there bought a burned out Italianate (the upstairs was largely gone) and almost miraculously, somehow cobbled the remains back together while rebuilding the upstairs to the point where no evidence of the fire was visible. In time, they opened a successful bed and breakfast in the new-old house. (Museum Hill Bed & Breakfast) Here’s a recent streetview of the house: https://goo.gl/maps/AYaMrKiAPay

    I have no idea how extensive the fire damage is in the Champlain Italianate-the article says it was insured-but if the ground floor is still standing, then there’s at least a chance it could be rebuilt. If it burned to the ground, then the loss is total and permanent. Over the years, almost countless architectural gems have been lost to fires and other natural disasters; nevermind all of the arbitrary demolitions that occurred because the owners didn’t want to save the structures from oblivion. I can only hope that perhaps the Champlain house can be rebuilt but that all depends on how much remains. Otherwise, perhaps a small amount of salvage materials remains and can be incorporated into the owner’s next home.
    The founder of Norton Utilities bought the old 1880’s P.F. Corbin mansion in Martha’s Vinyard to restore and during the restoration there was a total loss by fire due to workmen’s negligence. Not deterred, Mr. Norton saw that the Queen Anne mansion was carefully rebuilt as an exact replica house on the same site with no evidence of the fire-ravaged original remaining.

  22. Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 9369 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Pics from from the owner via jwpapelian.

    From jwpapelian:
    “The new owner have owned the home for a year
    and were in the process of restoring 86 Oak St. Champlain,N.Y. The back section is where fire started then taking
    over the roof,cupola, second floor and back outside wall of main house. The main floor and most of staircase has survived.
    All knowledge and encouragement from OHD reader’s will be appreciated.”

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    • JimHJimH says: 3808 comments
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      Sad but far from totally demolished. As long as the owners have their insurance/finances in order, and haven’t lost their will, it can be fixed.

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    • RossRoss says: 2311 comments

      Oh, I am so glad to see these images, heart-stopping though they may be.

      It is nice to know that the staircase and main floor survived mostly.

      Does the owner have insurance? If so, the house can likely be rebuilt. The brick walls appear mostly fine, as does most of the intricate cornice. The glorious window bays survived, too.

      The roof itself was not complicated, so it should be a not too difficult a rebuild. This should be done STAT.

      The BIG question, of course, is: would the owner rebuild the cupola?

      I would. Indeed, nothing could stop me. It was the glory of the house.

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      • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4439 comments

        As I made note of above, there was a very similar house in St. Joseph, MO, that experienced a similar fire and magnitude of loss. The Woods family board by board and brick by brick put the house back together again using old original and salvage parts where possible. The results were so dramatic that “before” and after photos of the fire damaged rooms were framed and displayed on the room walls during a historic homes tour. As also noted, they later opened a successful bed and breakfast.
        As for the cupola, I’d consider that way down the list of priorities but preservation activist Jim Siegel of San Francisco heard about a big 1860’s cube form Italianate in a northern Ohio town slated for demolition so he went out to Ohio to see how it could be saved. It was cut into pieces, carefully numbered and trucked out to coastal northern California on 17 flat bed trucks. In the course of several years, the Italianate came back together and was painted outside in authentic period colors, The crowning touch was custom building a cupola which was an exact replica from a period house plan book. To see the house now, setting on a hillside among a rural forest of Coastal Redwoods is as shocking to the eyes as seeing an alien UFO landing. It’s as if the Italianate mansion had been picked up in the 1860’s and brought into the future and dropped down where it now stands. Building the cupola for Jim was an easy task-he went on to design and build a mansard roofed Second Empire style carriage house-workshop also derived from a period design source. Now Jim owned some San Francisco real estate so he could afford to do this one-off project but the point I’m trying to make is with a good plan and the right knowledgeable people, almost anything is possible.

        Job one would be cleanup and moving everything that could be damaged from exposure to the elements or construction work to storage. Fire restoration companies can put furniture and other smoke damaged items in an Ozone chamber to remove smoke odors. Even valuable lightly fire damaged pieces can often be stripped, repaired and refinished to where no evidence of the fire can be seen. The second highest priority after cleanup would be to have an architect come up with a step by step restoration plan. It should focus on getting a roof back over the structure to put things in the dry and then a methodical room by room restoration with cosmetic work coming last.
        I offer yet another example of extreme restoration: the Steele Mansion in Painesville, Ohio. A local family saw the ruin of this former mansion where the roof and second floor had collapsed into the first floor from decades of water leaks. Nonetheless, the Shamakian family put getting the house rebuilt exactly as it was originally as their goal. After a couple of years of intensive restoration work, they reopened the historic home as a boutique hotel. From what I’ve been able to learn in the couple of years since the Steele Mansion reopened it has been a success. Here’s more information from the Hotel’s website: http://www.steelemansion.com/about-us/history.html
        Therefore, as for this house in Champlain, NY, the main question is whether there is the willpower and adequate resources to tackle this project. If the answer is affirmative, begin the rebuilding process immediately by engaging an architect and creating a methodical restoration plan. Once the house is again in the dry (a new roof) then its just a matter of staying with the plan and getting to the finish line. I feel deep sympathy at the loss from this fire but also hope the house will not be lost forever. I wish the owners the best and the courage to do whatever they think is best.

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  23. gerry s says: 27 comments

    Lovely house worth saving ! There is still a lot left to work with .

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