1898 – Jamestown, NY

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403 Lakeview Ave, Jamestown, NY 14701

  • $67,500
  • 4 Bed
  • 2.5 Bath
  • 3392 Sq Ft
This is an awesome architectural masterpiece designed by Beck and Tinkham. Priced to sell as a private residence or could become a four unit rental, you decide the usage. This house features 3,392' of living space, great for entertaining large parties, four spacious bedrooms, four fireplaces, two and one half bathrooms, large formal dining room, living room with wood burning fireplace, large den, loads of storage space. Charm and elegance surrounds this fabulous house with all the amazing beautiful details, finished hardwood floors, solid mahogany, stain glass windows, coffered ceiling, crown molding, pocket doors, this is one of Jamestown's treasures. Make your appointment today to see the masterpiece!!
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Sharon Lisciandro, CENTURY 21 Turner Brokers,
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  1. RossRoss says: 2461 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    $67K??????

    For this incredible mini-mansion??????

    WHAT am I missing??????

    Zounds!!!!!!

    • Emerald says: 12 comments

      I am wondering the same thing Ross. Other than some spots on the exterior that may need a bit of work, but I am not familiar with this style of house, it is perfect.

      Bad area? Taxes outrageous?? it is twice the size of my current 5 bedroom home and cost over 1/2 less!!!

    • Coreena says: 2 comments

      What are the taxes? Is this the correct price listing?

      • janet says: 1 comments

        taxes are 10,700 a year

        • RossRoss says: 2461 comments
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          1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
          Emporia, KS

          As Jim wrote below:

          The county tax bills are online and say the 2015-16 taxes are $6400 total including school tax.

          The owner is not a local resident so he doesn’t get a STAR exemption which lowers bills quite a bit.

          The tax is based on an assessment of $123.5k which is supposed to be 100% of fair market value. A sale price is considered proof of value, so a sale at $62k will cut taxes in half and a resident will pay even less with STAR exemption. $3000 a year max.

        • Jeanne says: 2 comments

          If this is correct that the taxes are $10,700 a year than the assessment is very high. We are supposed to have market value assessments in Jamestown. I live in a house that is valued at $73000 and the taxes are about $3100 a year. I wonder if the property will have its assessment adjusted if it only sells for $67000.

    • Carol says: 1 comments

      It last sold in 2007 for $131000+, so something’s wrong.

      • RossRoss says: 2461 comments
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        1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
        Emporia, KS

        Jamestown has been losing population for decades.

        In 1950 the population was 43,000.

        Today it is 30,000.

        This always depresses property values as there are more houses than buyers.

      • JimHJimH says: 5148 comments
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        Carol, there are 400 homes for sale in Jamestown and the median price is right about $60,000. It’s a simple fact that the market here has sunk since the bubble burst in 2008. Maybe there’s an economist that can explain the details beyond supply and demand. This is an older home that possibly needs some repair, although nothing is mentioned in the description.
        Maybe the out-of-state owner just wants to sell it and move on and isn’t concerned about the price. Most likely he’s aware that there are people breaking into houses all over and stripping out all the plumbing and wiring. That would keep me up nights! My neighbor sold her house in 2 weeks for $40k less than she could have gotten for those reasons.
        I’m thinking of contacting the owner and telling him to increase his price because everyone assumes there’s a fly in the ointment!

    • Jeanne says: 2 comments

      This is on one of the loveliest streets in town. There are many rentals but also a large number of owner occupied single family homes. This home appears to have old bathrooms and probably an old kitchen. I would expect that the plumbing and wiring needs upgrading. Those things aside, this could be a great value if one could get the assessment to realistically reflect the market value.

    • Kate says: 1 comments

      I grew up on Prendergast, graduated 1990, just down around the corner from this house back when this area was beautiful and people actually took care of their homes & yards! And appreciated their neighbors! Last trip back 2 yrs ago I wanted to drive down my old street & home I grew up in. It was very sad to see how SO down hill this area had gone. Even the simplest thing like cleaning up the yards & mowing didnt seem to exist anymore or very often. Some homes even alittle unrecognizable they have gotten so bad. Too many people just dont care at all or care enough to even offer a helping hand to a neighbor, an older neighbor that maybe cant mow & keep up on yard wrk anymore or dsnt have a mower. Even the littlest help goes along way. It was just sad to see these once beautiful areas & homes look so run down & unkept?

  2. John Shiflet says: 5456 comments

    “Dutch” “Flemish” and Colonial/Classical Revival details abound here and this house would have been in the best of design tastes in 1898. However, the two brick faced mantels are a little too “rustic” for such a finely detailed and formal house. I’m at times astounded by the low prices of some houses in New York state, but high taxes, sporadically weak regional economic picture, and limited number of buyers explain how houses of this quality can be priced so low. In some locations, a formal mansion level house like this would be priced well over a million dollars and a bidding war might break out among potential buyers but that’s not the case here. Most of the period details of this eclectic “Poly-Colonial” Revival house remain both inside and out but those crude brick faced mantels just seem out of place to me.

    • JimHJimH says: 5148 comments
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      John, thanks for the reference to “Dutch” revival architecture. I think this house is a good example of the expression of Dutch history in New York. There was a great revival of interest in the Dutch colonization of New York in the late 1800’s due to the prominence of the Dutch-surnamed Vanderbilts, Schermerhorns, Roosevelts and others. The Holland Society was founded in 1885, ostensibly a historical society, although their lavish banquets suggested more a Blue Book social club.
      There was difficulty in translating this Dutch pride into architecture because the Dutch forms weren’t very well understood and accepted. The vernacular Dutch style of houses with steep roofs and stepped parapets wasn’t attractive to American tastes and the high style of Dutch public buildings with Baroque fronts was rarely used in America.
      For some reason, the English gambrel roof which was popular in the New York areas that had previously been settled by the Dutch became “Dutch Colonial” along with “Dutch doors” for architects around 1900 and that label has stuck.
      This house combines the “Dutch” gambrel with the Baroque gable ends along with standard Colonial Revival details. The interior has a bit of early Craftsman also; I love it.

    • Stevie says: 1 comments

      Yes! I thought the exact same thing!! My eyes were drawn right to those fireplaces! They are so generic considering the amazing wood detail throughout! They couldn’t possibly be the originals? I can’t understand why anyone would have changed these.. It really takes away from the feeling in the room!

  3. AlliAlli says: 13 comments

    Absolutely STUNNING home. The price is unbelievable for this beauty. Love love love it.

  4. Lindsay G says: 558 comments

    Wowness!!! There’s so much charm and quirks, I can’t get enough. Every new picture shows something I adore. And how about that half-circle bump out window, that thing right there has me sold. I just LOVE these old houses.

  5. SeanSean says: 158 comments
    1928 Spanish Revival
    Long Beach, CA

    Totally agree with John, those brick fireplaces are the only thing bringing this beauty down. Otherwise it’s stunning in every way. And the price is absolutely ridiculous – I don’t have time, but it would be interesting to look up the taxes on this for a harsh splash of ice water in the face. 🙂

    And I don’t know what you folks are talking about regarding the neighborhood – it’s filled with equal-to-greater homes. The Googlemobile just caught it when the city was installing new water lines and a neighbor was restoring a porch. That sounds like the kind of neighborhood I’d love to live in.

    Ahhhh… the fantasies of selling my Southern California place and having to spend only a quarter of the profits on this beautiful house. Ahhhhh…..

    • MagPie says: 1 comments

      I can tell you Sean that this neighborhood has deteriorated. As you walk along Lakeview Ave. you will encounter some homes like this one that have been kept to their original style. Some of the beautiful older homes have been made into apartments and are not all in as good condition as they used to be. Back in the early 1900’s, this was the street to live on ….. not anymore. Upper Lakeview Avenue, closer to the Cemetery, the homes tend to be nicer than the lower Avenue closer to Sixth Street. The streets that travel down to the next thoroughfare are full of homes that have not been taken care of and many unsavory characters tend to live on those side streets and the thoroughfare of Prendergast Avenue. Not an area I would wish to live in myself.

  6. Claire says: 9 comments

    Taxes are high…according to Zillow the are 10,700 a year. Beautiful house both inside and out.

    • Coqu says: 3 comments

      Thank you for the quick shot of reality! Had my bags packed ready to move into this wonderful bargain hehe. That adds a cool quarter-mil to the “life of the loan”! Puts it into perspective.

    • JimHJimH says: 5148 comments
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      Don’t trust these real estate sites for tax info!
      The county tax bills are online and say the 2015-16 taxes are $6400 total including school tax. The owner is not a local resident so he doesn’t get a STAR exemption which lowers bills quite a bit.
      The tax is based on an assessment of $123.5k which is supposed to be 100% of fair market value. A sale price is considered proof of value, so a sale at $62k will cut taxes in half and a resident will pay even less with STAR exemption. $3000 a year max.
      http://app.co.chautauqua.ny.us/cctaxonline/#view/060800-370.19-4-20/current
      http://www.cityofjamestownassessment.com/AboutYourAssessment.aspx

      The last sale here was $125k in 2004!

      • says: 270 comments

        This is good info you posted, John. I’ve wondered how anyone could live in NY and pay those taxes. A niece just bought a weekend home in NY and I haven’t asked about the taxes. Putting the taxes into proper perspective makes so many of these NY beauties more than tantalizing. Wish I was up to making another move because I do like the north.

  7. Jan says: 1 comments

    Beautiful house!! I agree with the fireplace comments. They obviously have been re-done. Wonder if the marble face one still has the original tile underneath it?

  8. Debra says: 4 comments

    I used to live in Jamestown many years ago. Lakeview Ave was lovely. Hometown of Lucille Ball, in fact, she was moved from CA to be reburied down the street at Lakeview Cemetery. If I had the spare $$, I would buy it. But the winters!! Same snow as Buffalo. Haven’t been down Lakeview Ave in decades, but the houses were wonderful. If they have been maintained, Lakeview would be a wonderful street to live on.

  9. Debra says: 4 comments

    If being close to NYC is important to anyone, Jamestown is not the place you would consider, over 400 miles from the city. It’s 70 miles SW of Buffalo. Prices for Jamestown homes have been low for some time now. I used to shake my head seeing how fine homes were going for so little. Points that could be of interest are nearby Chautauqua Institution, an arts and philosophy town full of Victorians, where small cottages go for astronomical prices and Lily Dale, a Victorian village full of psychics, can’t own property there w/o a lot of psychic testing. Then the Falls and countryside.For those of you asking me about taxes, I really don’t know. It has been over 30 years since I lived there.

  10. Joel says: 20 comments

    What would the “proper” surround be for these fireplaces in this area of the country? IE, in Midwest might be Majorica tile, or in California it might be Batch-elder. And yes, I’m pretty sure I spelled both of those wrong. 🙂

    • John Shiflet says: 5456 comments

      In keeping with the existing original surrounds, one could use marble, alabaster, or onyx slabs or alternately, Blue Delft, “Dutch” tiles to tie in with the stylistic theme of the house.

      • Joel says: 20 comments

        Thanks John. I’d seen the Blue Delft tiles in another house, but wasn’t aware of name or relevance, so hadn’t thought of those. Though some nice marble or onyx would sure look good too

  11. Marie Spurgin says: 1 comments

    This is not a Beck and Tinkham house. Mr. Beck was only 6 years old in 1898.

    A granddaughter of Mr. Beck

    • JimHJimH says: 5148 comments
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      One reference says the house was built in 1908 and designed by Carl C. Pedersen for cigar merchant/manufacturer Fred B. Tinkham.
      Pedersen was Danish born and designed his own home 2 blocks down:
      https://goo.gl/maps/ecSYGzbuLWM2

      • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11881 comments
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        1901 Folk Victorian
        Chestatee, GA

        Funny, I just received an email from a previous owner saying that it was designed by Pedersen.

        • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11881 comments
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          1901 Folk Victorian
          Chestatee, GA

          Here is a link she sent me about Pedersen, link.

          • JimHJimH says: 5148 comments
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            Cool link – Pedersen also designed the yellow Beaux Arts house at 502 Lakeview.
            I noticed in the old photos the interior columns in this house were originally painted, adjacent to the unpainted entry. Interesting.

            • John Shiflet says: 5456 comments

              Thanks for sharing the C.C. Pedersen information link. He appears to have been quite prolific in his work with numerous illustrated examples including this house and mention of Pedersen’s design work in other cities and nearby states. The narrative mentioned he started out humbly as a furniture designer before he applied his design talents to architecture. I would not have thought this house to be from as late as 1908 but that helps explain the Art Nouveau/Arts & Crafts style stained glass windows in the dining room reflecting the popularity of those styles at that point in time. Someone may wish to inform the selling agent about the designer of this house and perhaps include the early photo from the book but at its low price point, we’re fortunate to just have decent photos.

  12. Nancy says: 1 comments

    Ok everyone, my husband and I owned this house in the 70s, 80s. It was a wonderful mini mansion and we had a lot of family fun there. Pedersen did design it. It had a butler’s pantry where one of the fireplaces did have a brick front. It had servant’s quarters on the third floor and a fantastic huge dry basement with arched passages. There was a very small garage at the right back of the property which fell into disrepair over the years. I don’t know if that is still there. It is still a beautiful home and I drive by every year when I visit WNY. Unfortunately the taxes are high and heating that place is very difficult !! I sincerely hope it is not turned into apartments!!!

  13. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11881 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    For everyone that keeps quoting taxes, Jims reply (I’m copying and pasting from his comment above.)

    Don’t trust these real estate sites for tax info!
    The county tax bills are online and say the 2015-16 taxes are $6400 total including school tax. The owner is not a local resident so he doesn’t get a STAR exemption which lowers bills quite a bit.
    The tax is based on an assessment of $123.5k which is supposed to be 100% of fair market value. A sale price is considered proof of value, so a sale at $62k will cut taxes in half and a resident will pay even less with STAR exemption. $3000 a year max.
    http://app.co.chautauqua.ny.us/cctaxonline/#view/060800-370.19-4-20/current
    http://www.cityofjamestownassessment.com/AboutYourAssessment.aspx

    The last sale here was $125k in 2004!

  14. Laurie W. says: 1737 comments

    Nancy, so super you happened by! Thanks for your info — you must have great memories of this house. It’s a beauty through & through. Not much I can say that others haven’t, but who wouldn’t fall in love with this? Krikey, this house & the gorgeous Beaux Arts one both for less than we paid for our house! Both of them 10 times prettier too. (Except I do agree about the brick fireplace surrounds, not so hot.) So many things to love about the place: the bathroom, yummm! Built-ins; pantry; even stained glass, which I usually dislike, but this is restrained & graceful. I haven’t been to Jamestown since a high school field trip — these houses make another visit worthwhile!

  15. Brendan says: 84 comments

    I too am quite taken with this house. Couple of questions; Any idea what the story is on the partial green section on the side of the house – is that a repair or is the light colored siding coming off? Also, I see a number of zig-zag cracks in the brickwork – might that be a cause of concern (ie: foundation issues) or just a cosmetic aging issue?f Love the Dutch dormers, beautiful floors, mahogany(?) stairs, beamed ceilings, stained glass, and wonderful tile in the bathroom.

  16. Michael Mackin says: 2622 comments

    Just wondering if the vinyl siding on the gable ends are going up or coming down?

  17. jehousejehouse says: 106 comments

    Oh those bathrooms. I’m dying here.

  18. Tia M says: 3 comments

    Dream home! How wonderful this one is.

  19. C.F. says: 1 comments

    I talked to the realtor about this one a little while back. The owners live in Florida, and had purchased it with the intent of moving there, but something happened and they never did. Sat vacant for 8? years, while a property management company was supposed to be keeping an eye on it. They apparently never went there, because the roof leaked unchecked, and there is a lot of water damage, some of the ceilings are falling down [especially the kitchen]. She sent me photos, and it’s pretty bad. She had a contractor do a walkthrough and he guessed 60-80k for repairs. One of the upstairs bathrooms will need to be totally redone, not usable. Shame.

    • Sapphy says: 390 comments

      That really IS a shame, CF. I’d be heartbroken if i were the owner. And i’d probably go after the property management company for not doing their job. This house once was gorgeous. Hopefully someone will rescue it and make it gorgeous again.

  20. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11881 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    This popped back up as for sale but I’m a bit leary marking it for sale again here because some websites are showing pending sale while others showing off market. There was a weird thing going on with the agents site…so I don’t know if this is one of those listing “glitches” where a house will show as for sale when the status is really just been changed from off market to pending or what the story is.

  21. Guy says: 1 comments

    My partner and I have acquired this beautiful home.

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