1902 Queen Anne – Logansport, IN

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Logansport, IN 46947

  • $39,900
  • 4 Bed
  • 3 Bath
  • 3724 Sq Ft
Large historical home needing an owner to come in and love it. If these walls could talk... This home has pocket doors, 2 beautiful fireplaces, built-ins, tile, hardwood floors, stairway is designed with horse hide. Furnace is 3 years old. Come bring this back to life.
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Debra Drinkwine, Pacesetters Real Estate
(574) 722-4400
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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11893 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Thank you Paul W. for the share plus the photos. Also thanks to John S. for more photos. Be sure to check out Paul’s blog post about the home, Rustbelt Preservationist.

  2. Tommy Q says: 462 comments

    I look at a house like this and wonder just how much $$$ it would take to solidify it and clean it up? $100K? $200K? More? Lots more?? That’s assuming it doesn’t have any major bug problems.

    • Paul W says: 467 comments

      It will need some slate replacement on the front corner. The porch restoration is probably the big ticket item along with soffit rebuilt but its very doable. This house is livable right now (especially now that its been cleared out of all the furniture). A lot depends on the condition of the original siding underneath the 1920’s siding, but one should figure 20 percent replacement.

      Personally if I wasn’t in the middle of our own restoration of our mixed use 1884 Italianate building, I’d buy it. The interior is that special.

  3. Bethany says: 3510 comments

    What a treasure! Worth saving at any price! Makes me wonder how such a neglected home happens to have a furnace that’s only 3 years old. Who does that?

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  4. Why oh why do these old beauties have to have such uninspiring locations? I don’t want to look at a blue building and a parking lot when I go out the door. Sigh.

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  5. cyberc says: 98 comments

    Love the front door – the tile – the crockets – fireplace – the plaster ceilings. So much to love about this house. The sad thing is there’s an extensive amount of outside damage. This restoration would probably be the death of me. There’s no telling what kind of damage would be found inside the walls. I would have to mull this property over but I do see so much POTENTIAL – so MUCH POTENTIAL INDEED!!

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  6. Ed Ferris says: 299 comments

    I was shown this house a week ago. It is on the market because it was too big a job for the current owner. It would be too big a job for any one person (except one who could spend a lot of money on hiring other people). The exterior is in very bad shape, the roof leaks (but not badly) and seems to sag in the middle, and the tile floors are missing pieces at the edges. I would say the stair is decorated with Lincrusta, but the realtor says it is embossed horse hide. My guess is $200K in repairs.

  7. Regina says: 54 comments

    I wish someone would make this home beautiful once again!

  8. Paul W says: 467 comments

    Some info. The owner had the new furnace put in shortly after purchase and had the electrical new electrical boxes and wiring put in so he could obtain homeowners insurance. Owner is a truck driver, never home, and didn’t need a mansion sized home.

    As to the “roof sag”, I looked at it and its minor for house of this age. What needs to be done is 2×10 Collar ties added in the attic to tie the roof structure together better. This is common with homes with slate or heavy tile roofs. The Attic was never finished or built out, and as a result, there are no partition walls which would add additional support. This is not a difficult thing to do. Personally I would add a couple of walls upstairs at some strategic points on top of the existing interior structural load bearing walls, or place posts and tie those into the new collar ties, if for some reason you didn’t want to finish the space.

    The big work is box gutter repairs and the front porch work. Ed you paid 200K for that work you’d be paying way too much. True there are some things the average restorer may hire out, but the fact the interior is intact is a big plus and YES the realtor has no real clue about historic houses. Otherwise this would have been priced higher.

    While I agree the building across the street isn’t great you also have very nice view of the downtown from the west side. Several large mansions on the street and the historical Society museum house is two blocks away

    I am offering to assist anyone buying it to restore by helping them develop a restoration plan and scope of work/bid specs for it, just to help and see it gets in good hands.

    If Indiana landmarks were to buy it, its going to be a lot more restrictive and probably cost a lot more to meet covenants. I have been talking/lobbying them about potentially buying it or optioning it. There was a previous buyer (deal fell through) who we believe planned on stripping the building and reselling the salvage and either turning it into apartments or simply walking away. So there is a major push going on to save it.

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    • Crystal says: 1 comments

      Hi Paul,

      My husband and I are VERY interested in saving to home. Thank you for sharing the pictures! The realtor listing isn’t doing this home justice. Please contact me directly about your offer to assist with this home.

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      • Deb B says: 6 comments

        Hi Crystal~
        I’m the sister of the owner. Just wondering if you and Paul were ever able to get together concerning the 1902 Queen Anne home in Logansport, IN?

        Have a great day – Deb

  9. cyberc says: 98 comments

    Ed, you are right about just some of the repairs that appear to be needed. There’s also a hold in the gable on 1 side. It’s a shame that beautiful old homesteads like these get left behind & fall into disrepair! Paul W. I know you want to save this house. I commend you for it. It has so much potential, as I said but it is going to be a LABOR of LOVE. It would break my heart to see it “parted out” so I hope whomever ends up with this gem, gives her the love she needs to be the Queen of the Block once again! Keep up your good works Paul W. because in the end you will be rewarded by seeing these Grand Ladies standing tall, as they once did many years ago. Thanks for showing us this true beauty.

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  10. John Shiflet says: 5452 comments

    I’ll make a few comments since my spouse and I did have a lengthy look at the house. We liked it so much that we wanted to leave a 60 day contingency offer on the property for full asking price, “as is” condition, waiving all inspections, and specifically asking the sellers NOT to clean out the house, basement, or attic. You’d think the sellers would quickly jump on such an easy deal but they actually declined our offer and said a sale had already been agreed upon (oddly, another offer was accepted on the same day that we looked at it) and that was that. It turns out their “slam dunk” buyer couldn’t do the deal so they’ve put the property back on the market. In the two months since we saw the house I’ve had time to reconsider and maybe it was best we didn’t get any traction towards buying this property. As others have noted, the house needs substantial work. But offsetting that is the fact that when we saw the interior it was as close to a time capsule house as one is likely to find anymore. All original interior and exterior ornamental and decorative items remain. All hardware was original; an early electric light fixture upstairs seems original as does the electric doorbell and there was another more ornate brass lighting fixture sitting in a cardboard box but it may have been sold in the yard sale. Even the Classical swags and ribbons around the front porch are made of durable carved wood, a more expensive option over pressed tin or compo/plaster ornament. I’m not sure how anyone can state with certainty what condition the exterior is in since the original clapboards are covered in 1920’s asphalt siding, very similar to roofing shingles made from the same. In the one photo I took where the asphalt siding was missing, the clapboards appear to be in fair condition and still have a darker shade of green paint on them (possibly the house’s original color since the house was owned by the GREENsfelders) In the basement, old packing crates still had Greensfelder labeled on them; in an upstairs bedroom some of the Greensfelder children scribbled on the wall on May 4th, 1904. (seen above) In the attic there were some items from the Greensfelder family but the sellers had a yard sale and sold off some of these items. As for location, the prime mansion residential area in Victorian era Logansport was between Market and Broadway streets. Back then, the downtown commercial district was a short walk away but now both streets are gradually giving way to commercial use as someone has noted. But Logansport is not a boomtown and the transition over to commercial use may take decades before it would include all the surrounding old houses. For the price and the extraordinary use of encaustic art tiles in many of the rooms, I feel it would be worthwhile. On the other hand, this rehab will require more than just a coat of paint and mowing the lawn. The plumbing throughout all appeared to be original and the upstairs bathtub has a unique slotted spout placed towards the lower part of the bathtub with tall nickel plated faucet handles behind the rim of the tub. In short, it was probably a “patent” design of that era. There was no overflow drain as one usually sees in most antique tubs but there may have been some kind of proprietary plumbing apparatus to prevent overflow. You’d have to see it to understand it. (sorry I didn’t get a photo of it) Wonderful house here if you’re willing to put in the work to bring it back. The Greensfelders were a prominent Jewish merchant family in Victorian era Logansport and continued to be highly respected in Logansport well into the 20th century. The white painted entry door is quarter-sawn Oak as is much of the millwork wood throughout the house. I think I counted three pairs of pocket doors (quarter-sawn Oak) downstairs and one super-wide pocket door. Two windows of leaded beveled glass are there as well as a fretwork divider upstairs. (rare to find one upstairs and none downstairs) For these and more Logansport photos (click on the larger size for more details) here’s a Flickr album I created: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11236515@N05/albums/72157659861547599 I’ll be happy to try to answer any questions, if I can.

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    • DogMom says: 38 comments

      This is a job for Nicole Curtis! She’d make this gorgeous again!!!!

    • Deb B says: 6 comments

      John, regrettably the sellers had NO IDEA you had made an offer until 3 wks AFTER the first offer had been made known. The owner would have accepted your offer in a heartbeat had they only known about it!!!

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      • EileenM says: 290 comments

        How did the owners have no knowledge about this offer? I find that very odd.

        • John Shiflet says: 5452 comments

          I’m going to chalk it up to miscommunications. However, as my spouse and I sat in the realtor’s office with completed contract offer paperwork, our agent called the selling agent-she firmly stated an offer had been accepted and there was no need for any backup offers. (even though ours was full price, all cash, “as is”, with inspections waived) My spouse was literally in tears and couldn’t understand why our offer couldn’t be accepted as a backup offer as is common in real estate transactions, so we cut short our Logansport visit and continued on to Illinois. We’re still trying to sell our Texas property and in hindsight, it would have been a nightmare trying to keep up with two houses in far apart states so I guess it worked out for the best. Everyone really loves the tiles and mosaics in this grand old home.

    • RosewaterRosewater says: 6656 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      It’s a beauty John no doubt; but thank your lucky stars! This place is a MONSTER! It would kill me for sure, and any other enthusiastic DIY’er, (except maybe Ross who has those unexplainable alien capabilities ;-). If someone has the SUBSTANTIAL funds necessary to gedderdun, that would be great. It’s a RAD house, but don’t look for a return on any large investment of time or fundage – sadly..

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    • kelli zkelli z says: 22 comments

      I love this house! I keep coming back to it, if only Logansport wasn’t so far from Anderson…also if I had about 200k to fix it…

  11. Can someone who lives there tell us a little bit about Logansport. Is there a community theater? And how close is this house to it/

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  12. JimHJimH says: 5149 comments
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    What an amazing house! Not an easy preservation project by any measure but the result could be spectacular. The tile and some of the woodwork is about as good as it gets.
    The Greensfelder family has an interesting history here, including an episode in the 1930’s involving the twin sons of the original owner, who maintained the family clothing store for many years. When the KKK set up an office in town in the 1930’s, the Greensfelders hired thugs from Chicago to ransack the place, effectively running the Klan out of town. Good for them! Some of the history of the family and house is found in a state publication, pages 11-14:
    http://www.in.gov/dnr/historic/files/hp-Cass_County.pdf
    The Greensfelder store building downtown survived until recent years. Indiana Preservation purchased it in 2003, spent over $200k restoring the exterior and sold it in 2011 to a lady planning a bookstore and cafe – a year and a half later the building collapsed and was demolished. Let’s hope the house fares better!
    http://www.indianalandmarks.org/NewsPhotos/Pages/NewsFeatures.aspx?NewsID=599
    http://www.pharostribune.com/news/local_news/article_a47326c2-6797-565a-bfe5-b818372408f2.html

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    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11893 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      Good for the Greensfelders!!!

      Wow, IP spent a lot of money there, something like that should have been caught early on.

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    • RosewaterRosewater says: 6656 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      Walls “waving in the wind”. Good gawd. It looked solid in the first photo. How bizarre. I won’t even go into Klan history, past – and present -, in Indiana. It’s all Googleable for those interested. It’s yet another embarrassment.

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  13. RossRoss says: 2457 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    I do not understand the negative comments.

    This house is a treasure. Wow. Stunning. WOW!

    And everything is relative.

    You want a house in a prime neighborhood? OK, but you will never find one for $40K.

    You want a great old house which requires no work? OK, but you will never find one for $40K.

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    • John Shiflet says: 5452 comments

      Well said, Ross. There have been many incredible and inexpensive old houses posted on the pages of Old House Dreams but if they combine extraordinary details with a low price there’s always a reason. Sometimes its location; other times its the condition of the house. (or both) On rare occasions, there is no obvious explanation, but here is a great old house that can be lived in, (utilities were on during our visit) the required work on it can be done on a priority basis. Job 1 is always to stop water leaks from any source (roof, plumbing) from going inside the house. This house has an expensive slate roof that can either be repaired or replaced with a less expensive substitute. A new slate roof is prohibitively expensive-I’d opt instead for copper metal shingles which will last at least a century and their verdigris color is highly coveted. Getting back on topic, yes this house will require work and investment but fully restored you’d have a home that you and the community could be proud of. This is a mansion level home for the price of an average new car.

  14. Paul W says: 467 comments

    We have lived in Logansport since April of this year and we live about 5 blocks from the Greensfelder mansion and are restoring 1884 Italianate commercial live/work. The city has a community theatre group, there is also the State Theatre in a 1941 Art Deco Theatre a few blocks down from the Greensfelder that is a Live music venue and they have Comedy acts in from across the country. The Peoples Winery downtown has live Jazz and Acoustic acts in constantly. They even have an annual Taste of Cass County with a variety of vendors and everything from Thai food to Ribs. The city has an active trail system including Little Turtle waterway and Riverside trails. There is an active arts organization and a large annual arts fair. Throughout the spring there is live music series at the park on Sundays. Farmers market on Fridays in Spring-Fall.

    The city and county has an excellent public transportation system, You can call and get door to door service in the county for 2.00. There is also a local city bus route and they are talking about bus trolleys soon.

    There is a “bike and walking culture” in the town and in addition to the trails, they have new Art designed bike racks and there are art installation all over town.

    Big numismatic club in town and railroading is big too and just about every weekend in summer there is a classic car show, In short its a lot like going back to the 1960’s with modern conveniences. Kids still walk and ride their bikes all over town, crime is low. My utility bill arrives in the mail on one of those little perforated cards and utility bills are far less than I had in the big city. The city street sweeper comes around every week and they pick up your branches and grass clippings too.

    In short, there is always something to do if you want to, but you don’t feel you have to do something. I enjoy taking walks by the river trails just a few blocks from us.

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  15. EyesOnYou1959EyesOnYou1959 says: 273 comments
    Lincoln, NE

    Such a grand old home, it needs a lot of tlc. I hope someone has the time and
    knowledge to restore it to it’s former glory.

  16. Ed Ferris says: 299 comments

    My guesstimate of $200K was including a new slate roof, or at least the work required to make the old one water-tight. There was still a lot of junk left in the house when I saw it, but there were also original doors and trim stacked in the basement. So how do you get the house cleaned out (by somebody else) and make sure they don’t throw away the house parts? A problem I’ve had before.
    Trim, cornice, brackets are missing or rotten on the exterior. You will have to have a source for architectural woodwork. I expect Paul W. does.
    Sure, if you can deal with structural problems this would be a great house.

    • RossRoss says: 2457 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      Will it cost $200K to restore this house?

      Maybe.

      But I could easily see somebody spending twice that. Or three times that.

      Or half that. Or even less.

      In short, there is no one-size-fits-all approach to restoration.

      Somebody with no skills would have to hire all the work out. The end result? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

      But somebody with some skills could save quite a bit.

      Somebody with a lot of skills could save tremendously.

      Somebody with a lot of skills AND a lot of time (like somebody retired) could restore this house for way way way less than $200K.

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      • RosewaterRosewater says: 6656 comments
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        1875 Italianate cottage
        Noblesville, IN

        Ahhhh if we were only all “Super Ross”!! I’m not putting you down brother: Frickin jealous is what I am! 😉

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        • RossRoss says: 2457 comments
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          1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
          Emporia, KS

          Super? Jeff, I wish! I do have a lot of old house skills, yes. But I have very little time. Quite vexing!

          And I cannot imagine ever being able to retire.

          Sigh.

          A house such as this seems ideal for a couple who have restored several homes over the decades, and takes this one on as a retirement project. And what an incredible project it would be! The results would be a glory!

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  17. Robt. B. Falls says: 15 comments

    horse hide wall covering? not likely. more likely lincrusta or anaglypta. i wish people in the various professional fields would research the details of house building. it would co$t upwards of 150k to restore the exterior if hired out. there is so much water damage. but the interior details would be very rewarding if restored. i find the tile in the dining room to be most intriguing, as to who built this house, because that is most unusual to my knowledge.

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  18. Paul W says: 467 comments

    Most small town realtors have limited knowledge of historic architecture and correct terms. I have been in conversation with someone from the local MLS group about doing a little talk about “basic” historic architectural terms and how to spot important historic features. Not uncommon for small towns, only one photo on the actual listing of the outside. The perception being that “all sales are local”.

    The problem with that “limited view of sales” is that with some very high profile restoration/stabilization efforts done on the “tower house” on Bankers Row and the People’s Winery building by Indiana Landmarks, a lot of out of town people, and for that matter, out of state people have discovered Logansport’s architecture. Since we bought our building and have opened our antique shop and design studio, we have met dozen’s of people who have moved to Logansport from Indianapolis, Santa Fe, Chicago, Grand Rapids Etc. Most are either in “non location dependent” jobs or are retirees. I was surprised at how many people commute to Indy (70 miles) from Logansport. The local people have no clue that they are getting “bought up” but are starting to notice prices are going up again.

    As for the Tile, its not Just the dining room but the room off of it ,the bathrooms and of course the entry is mosaic. However use of tile is not unusual at all here. I was in a home the other day with an elaborate entry hall done in encaustic. Numerous commercial buildings downtown have encaustic entries too. I have seen elaborate Slate mantels, lincrusta and fretwork in numerous homes, stained glass is everywhere (even in smaller ‘workers cottages” . Most of that due to the city’s proximity to Kokomo Opalescent Glassworks. The city had a large German community and those craftsman skills are evident everywhere.

    Logansport was an extremely prosperous “river town” in its early history. The convergence of two rivers, the Erie canal, and a major railroad and later the interurban, made it a center of commerce and it was often referred to as a ‘Little Chicago’. There was considerable wealth for such a small town and the architecture shows it. people are starting to figure it out and I predict the days of ‘cheap houses’ may be coming to an end, especially now the Chicago crowd have discovered it. This house is well situated and just around the corner from it on Broadway is a 20 plus Romanesque mansion of exceptional quality, and you can find high end mansions everywhere in town. If nothing else, Logansport is a good “architectural day trip” for any old house enthusiast.

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  19. Michael Mackin says: 2646 comments

    This is an amazing house! It would be a shame to see it disappear. I wonder about the siding put on at a later date, specifically, does it have asbestos in it. The roof looks fairly good for it’s age. Would it cost more to repair it than replace it?

    I hope someone steps up and saves this house!

  20. Paul W says: 467 comments

    A total state roof replacement would be a six figure job. The replacement of the damaged ones should be affordable. The costs are in box gutter repairs. I might add there is some slates in the basement which looked like it may have been acquired for repairs. There are several types of siding manufactured in the 1920’s, some of it with levels of asbestos some with other materials . The only way to know is to test it. I might add however that a homeowner wearing quality respirator and with a removal suit could do the removal themself. There is no mandate it be done by a contractor but I recommend it. However there are a lot more abatement contractors now than there were several years ago and the prices have come down because there is more competition. It is nailed usually with 3 nails and usually comes off quite easily. The trick is to be patient and not to break it and immediately put in it the heavy contractor bags which ideally are then taped shut for disposal. Ground below should be tarped and care should be done to do removal on non windy days.

    I see “billy bob” contractors pulling this stuff off all the time without respirators which is NOT safe regardless of what its made of.

    I might ad since a lot of people will be taking their annual checkup before the end of the year, its a good idea if you are restoring to tell your doctor and have him do a lead test annually.

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    • Miss-Apple37 says: 1180 comments

      I’m from France, in the Loire Valley region where real slate roofs are very common. I had an estimation for a friend’s 650 sq ft old house’s roof to be redone (frame and slates works). It was 15,000€ (abt 17.400 USD). For such a small house. So I’m wondering how much it would cost in the USA where slate roofing seems to be a not so common and widespread feature and (I suppose) craft, on such big houses!

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  21. kenny says: 82 comments

    Paul or John, Do you happen to know how flexible Logansport is when it comes to building permits. Some locales allow a homeowners permit for most work including roofing (but not elec/mech/plumb). Do you think it possible to scaffold this house for stripping and repair without a permit?

    Also do you recall if the wood floors squeaked when you walked on them and in general how solid were the floors. It looks like the biggest project will be the front porch. Was the porch deck solid at least and did you notice and of the missing columns in the basement? Thanks!

    • Paul W says: 467 comments

      Homeowner can pull permit for roofing (although I don’t recommend it for slate repair unless you know what you are doing) Painting/siding repair/replacement doesn’t require permits (unless you are altering framing for windows). Interestingly Indiana allows homeowners are allowed to pull some electrical and plumbing permits but you need to take a test (not hard to do ).

      As for the column I didn’t see it but they are fairly common to acquire from a salvage yard or even some antique shops.

      Wood floors were fine as I recall the porch has soft areas related to the floorboards not the framework. You never know what’s under but they are probably oversized floor joists

      • John Shiflet says: 5452 comments

        Since you also asked for my input, I’ll answer the flooring part. Because there’s a mortar bed under the mosaic foyer floor and the tile floors I did not notice any give to the floors. Upstairs, there’s a hallway where the fretwork piece is and a layer of flooring was missing in one area (no evidence of damage or water so I’m not sure why it was missing but with two layers of floors (both 5/8 to a full inch in thickness) I did not notice any give or squeaks. The house overall had a solid feel.

        However, there is some dampness in the basement due to defective guttering which allows water to drain next to the house. As for the porch column, I do not recall seeing it but as Paul noted, the decking is essentially shot. The box gutters are not doing their job either. Once roof repairs or replacement have been completed, the guttering replaced, then would be the time to re-deck the porch. I’d recommend synthetic decking even though it does not look historic; wood decking will just not last that long with snow blown on the porch deck or rain blown on the same. Either that of if you use T & G four inch wide pine planks prime them thoroughly on all four sides and then use the best decking paint you can find. On a replica Gothic porch I built for a client out in California he obtained some Marine epoxy from a boat builder friend of his. That was about 8 years ago but I’d be surprised if it looks today as perfect as it did then. I’ve found the full one inch thick pressure treated 1 x 6″ planks with deteriorate over time (about a dozen years with paint, less unpainted) That’s why if maximum longevity is paramount, synthetic deck planks are probably the best choice. Unlike wood T&G planks they need spacing for expansion. A company called Tendura made a synthetic true 1 x 4 T&G board but it also required spacing and the company has apparently gone out of business. In summary, no porch deck is going to last a century like the rest of an old house. It did not bother the original residents because high quality (old growth wood) deck planks were relatively inexpensive over a century ago. Hope this information is helpful.

    • Deb B says: 6 comments

      I’m almost positive there’s a column laying in the corner of the front porch, on the east side – just saying.

  22. Paul W says: 467 comments

    Crystal, you can email me direct at victiques@gmail.com

    I know Kelly is sick right now so I am not sure how quickly you will get this but happy to help

  23. Caroline says: 1 comments

    We looked at this house today and have not stopped talking about it since we left. It’s a BEAUTFIUL home and I want so badly to make it PRETTY. I hope that if we don’t get the honor to someone else buys to restore this beauty. I hope and pray it does not get sold to someone who wants to come in and slap paint around and throw walls up to make it an apartment. UGH!

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    • Paul W says: 467 comments

      Well Caroline, I certainly hope you consider buying it, It is one of the more unique intact homes I have ever seen and the tile work is ‘over-the-top’. If you do buy now is the time, we have just started the Logansport Landmarks group to help promote and advocate for the historic resources of the city. We are working on some ideas for events in May ( historic preservation month ) so feel free to contact me (especially if you buy the Greensfelder) victiques@gmail.com

  24. Paul W says: 467 comments

    I heard from the owners that there will be an Open House this Sunday, May 1st from 10 am – 12 noon. Great opportunity for anyone whose been thinking about this house to see it.

  25. Ross says: 2457 comments

    The more I look at this house the more I like it. Well, love it.

    I just now noticed the front door lockset. And matching doorbell!!!!!!!!

    I also “walked” around the house today for the first time.

    Surprising. I just assumed the house was hemmed in by other houses. But no. Nice size lot, and plenty of breathing space. Yes, most of this space is parking lots!

    The mixed neighborhood does not bother me. Not ideal but then the house would not be so affordable. There are other stunning houses nearby, and this matters to me.

    This seems a perfect project for somebody without a lot of money, but with time (perhaps retired), and some basic skills.

    Fabulous house. Just fabulous. A rare treasure.

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    • Paul W says: 467 comments

      Make no mistake, its endangered, more from bad reuse than anything else. I am hopeful someone snags it soon and starts restoring it. As a side note our new local preservation group Logansport Landmarks is releasing our 5 most Endangered list later this week and this house will be on it. Hopefully the publicity will get in front of some preservation minded person.

      • CherylC says: 9 comments

        Paul, is this house still for sale? Is your offer to help with a restoration plan still on the table? Logansport is farther from Indy than I’d hoped, but this house may be my best option to find my forever home. I’d have to factor in the cost of the box gutter repairs and whatever else you think is needed to prevent water damage. Do you have contractors you recommend? Thank you for any info you can provide.

  26. Paul W says: 467 comments

    It is for sale and I am willing to help in any way I can. There are some people I can put you in touch with and Indian landmarks probably has some recommendations as well. We travel to Indy all the time 1 15 minutes to North side and Chicago is about the same. Did you look at the one on Broadway too? I might add the Merriman house just came up for sale by owner Its an Octagon house. This weekend is our Logansport Landmarks Preservation Pitch-In Picnic and tour of our work to date on the Burgman residence above our shop. If you can it would be a good opportunity to see what’s going on in local preservation.

  27. Deb B says: 6 comments

    Hi Cheryl – my brother owns this home, and would LOVE to have someone like you that appreciates it be the new owner! I speak from experience when I say this home is “so easy” to live in; that may sound silly, but somehow the rooms just flow into each other. Even the back and side yard is homey – odd as that may sound. There’s a 4 (maybe 5) globe lamp in the back yard (globes are in the house) that would make it a fairyland after dark. As Paul mentioned, he’s hosting a Preservation Picnic this Sunday, I’d be delighted to give you another tour of my brother’s home. My brother will TRY to be at the picnic as well, he’s a trucker and his schedule isn’t his own. Hopefully, you’ll choose this home as your “forever home”, but if not, good luck in whichever one you choose.

  28. SuzyB says: 2 comments

    Is this house still for sale?
    I’ve been looking for some time now and would love to see more of the inside. Yes, I stalked the outside and even spoke to neighbors. This would be my forever home. A Project but – a rewarding one.
    Who’s the best to contact?
    Met Paul a month or so ago at his store just browsing.
    I’m in Chicago
    I will be relocating to logansport.

    • Deb says: 1 comments

      Suzy, I would be happy to show you this treasure, it needs some love, but has so much potential, and the end result of restoring it would be breathtaking. Glad to show you anytime. 574-721-2285

  29. John Shiflet says: 5452 comments

    Suzy B., I’m sure Paul will be getting back to you soon. In the meantime, call Memi Renewanz at MPR Realty: http://www.mprrealty.net/about/ and I’m sure she will be happy to show you the former Greensfelder Family home. Paul recently mentioned to me that the owners have done some minor work on the house. The roof must be priority 1. Definitely a labor of love project but if you can see it to completion you’ll have an outstanding period home in a prominent location. Good Luck!

  30. Deb B says: 6 comments

    Hi ~ my brother owns this home, and yes, it’s still for sale. Feel free to contact either the listing broker, Deb Drinkwine, Pacesetters at 574-721-2285 and deb.@pacesettersre.net – or myself at 574-721-2020.

    I know that Deb would be glad to show you the inside and take all the time you need, as will I. This is a comfortable, stately, roomy home to live in. We have fond memories of many a “get to-gether” in the spacious dining room, and then retiring to one of the parlors. Look forward to meeting you!

  31. Deb B says: 6 comments

    There’s nothing my brother would like more than for someone that truly LOVES this old home to become the new owner! Your friend sounds like an amazing person, and just what this home needs. Please don’t be discouraged; we have a friend here in town that is amazing at restoring old homes – and in fact, is doing that very thing for his newly purchased home/business (another beautiful landmark in Logansport); he would be happy to meet with you.

    Feel free to contact me directly at 574-721-2020.

  32. TRJ says: 6 comments

    Hi folks. Figured I’d come on here and say something since I have been given such glowing reviews 😉

    My husband and I put an offer in on the house today. We saw it yesterday with Deb (owner’s sister) and are completely charmed and in love. It DOES need a lot of work, but is in livable condition at this time. First order of business will be cleaning, cleaning, and more cleaning followed by solving the issue of the leaks and fixing the drywall/plaster around the windows in order to 86 the drafts and help conserve energy when it comes to heating the old girl this winter. Next will be tuck pointing the chimneys and making sure they’re in working order before we try to light any fires. Fixing the tiling is going to be a labor of love since it’s going to be a remarkable task to match the tiles… Placing them is my specialty 🙂

    Spring will see the start of exterior renovation… And… Oy… What a task. I promise that she is going to be absolutely stunning once finished. Structurally she is sound as a bell. Slight lean, but the lean is from settling and property grade and not the foundation. That’s super steady.

    The attic/ballroom will be fully restored in true fashion and there will be an invitation to the community, once she’s done, to celebrate the old Queen’s rebirth.

    Paul, I will graciously lavish you in baked goods if you allow me to pick your brain on a deeper level. Your choice of baked goods… And coffee, lol

    • Ross says: 2457 comments

      I am excited for you! This is such a FABULOUS house!

      Please let us all know when you close!

      And good luck!

    • Paul W says: 467 comments

      Welcome to Logansport ! Happy to assist in any way we can. FYI Logansport Landmarks has a Facebook page and we are developing quite the group of Preservation mined people. I have a lot of period lighting at the shop and other stuff to help with your restoration. Stop in when you get into town

    • I am so excited to hear that someone is going to make this home beautiful again! I really hope that you’ll share pictures of your progress on the home. I would love to see the woodwork and tile in all it’s glory!

  33. TRJ says: 6 comments

    Hey Paul, I should be headed in within the next few days just to get acquainted and maybe start measuring rooms and figuring out color palettes etc. It’s going to be a long winter spent squaring away as much of the inside as humanly possibly. I’ll drop by the shop for sure 🙂 We’re an hour and some change away in Fort Wayne at present but will be living there full time as soon as we close.

    Ross, oh my goodness I can’t even express how excited I am to be the new owner of this AWESOME house! Thanks so much for the kind words! Keep an eye on her, I’ll be updating as she gets worked on and probably will start a blog.

    • Ross says: 2457 comments

      Oh yes, please do start a blog! It’s a great way to connect with a lot of people, and also get wonderful ideas/help from your readers!

  34. TRJ says: 6 comments

    Blog has been started. Hoping to close at the end of the week at this point, we’re just waiting to rock and roll. First post is kind of like a preamble.

    http://greensfeldermansion.blogspot.com/2016/09/when-i-was-designing-this-blog-i-was.html?m=1

    And yes… I’m an extremely cheeky creature.

    Halloween this year is going to be pretty amusing. I can promise you that. Any idea of what I can expect for trick or treaters?

    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11893 comments
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      Thanks, can’t wait to follow your progress!

    • Ross says: 2457 comments

      Whoee!!!!!!!!!!

      • John Shiflet says: 5452 comments

        Congratulations, TRJ. Time is relatively short before colder weather arrives. If it were mine, the first priority would be eliminating as many leaks (near the staircase) as possible. I think the house is campable for the winter but there will be warmer days when some small projects are possible. Direct as much rainwater away from the foundation as possible and the basement will become drier. Right now, some water goes right down and into the basement walls. Save any and all pieces of the Classical swags along the porch frieze/soffit. They can be reglued with gorilla glue. The missing pieces may be possible to re-mold in Gesso plaster or, if someone is handy with a dremel tool and scroll saw, a template can be created and new pieces carved. The Greenfelders spent a lot of extra money for fully carved wood ornament so it would be worthwhile to put it back. I hope you have some idea about colors because a highly ornamental house like this can be extremely enhanced with the proper use of colors. In 1902, two to four colors were the most common. I can refer you to period color palettes if you wish or you’ll find some good information in Roger Moss’s VICTORIAN EXTERIOR DECORATION with suggestions for color combinations using modern paint company color names. Lots of suppliers for mosaic tesserae on e-Bay so you should be able to find matching colors for the entry floor. I do hope you plan to retain it. Alternately, it can be covered over with carpet but the missing mosaics need to be filled with lime mortar and smoothed over. The tilework and mosaics are what make this house special. Don’t let the enormity of the job intimidate you or your husband. It took years and years to get in this condition and will take time to bring it back. I’d strongly recommend not doing a complete gut inside-but of course, it will soon be your house to do as you please. Here’s wishing you the best!

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        • TRJ says: 6 comments

          Yeah the biggest project we’re looking to accomplish right now is ending the leak by the window seat on the stairs. The owners are pretty sure the leak isn’t active anymore, but I haven’t been in her in a couple weeks and wouldn’t know at this point. We’ll have someone come in and figure it out as soon as we close. That’s honestly priority number one aside from cleaning up and getting rid of broken glass etc (no idea the source of the broken glass, no windows are broken etc). We will go ahead and shore up around the foundations to direct water away, the gutters are a huge culprit and need replacement immediately, same with any/all downspouts.

          She’s more than campable for the winter. The idea is to tackle one floor at a time, starting with the first floor. The servant’s staircase will be the source of traffic bringing supplies up and the mess down as we work. No traffic, as far as construction/cleaning stuff, will go up and down the grand staircase.

          The tiles will all be restored. I REFUSE to cover them in wood or carpet, losing them would be an absolute tragedy. They are the house, and I love them. I’ll be hunting replacement tiles down after I give the floors a good baking soda and vinegar scrub to help restore them… If anyone has a spare cleaning toothbrush and extra time, I promise coffee and cupcakes, lol.

          ALL the gingerbreading and carved pieces will be removed, restored, and put back. We’re going to catalog EVERYTHING and take extensive photos so we know where everything goes and how. I’m ridiculously handy with resin and we have friends who can machine stuff for us like nobody’s business.

          The inside is NOT being gutted, but rather preserved as best as we can. There ARE walls that will need to have the sheet rock removed/replaced and that will happen. I fear the bench seat beneath the leaking window on the landing is a total loss and we’ll replace it as close to original as humanly possible.

          I do have a bit of a paint scheme in mind, but I’m all ears and would love to see your palettes. When she’s done, she’s going to be a stand out for sure.

          The ENTIRE porch has to be redone. I mean, all of it. Gone. We’re going to salvage everything we can, but the actual porch porch needs to be 86ed before someone falls through it and gets seriously injured or worse. We’ll be redoing the porch stairs, the metal bar railing will be gone and replaced with something period correct. the cement walk ways are going to be replaced with cobblestone.

          Of course… Gardening is going to be the very LAST thing we touch, but we are going to be fencing the outside because kids and dogs. We ask that everyone kind of pardons our dust because this is going to be a monumental undertaking and, as you said, it’s going to take awhile. She’s turning 115, that’s a lot of time of wear and tear that’s going to have to be tended to and sadly I missed ‘reverse the years’ day at Hogwarts so it’s going to take a hot minute or two 😉

  35. John Shiflet says: 5452 comments

    TRJ,
    Sounds like you have a logical plan of attack and a priority list of tasks. I agree the porch needs replacing in kind. (same design and scale as the original) There are no wood deck boards I’m aware of that can hold up to years and years of weather exposure. I did custom build a replica porch on an 1860 landmark Gothic Revival in Vallejo, CA back in the winter of 2006-7: (photos:https://www.flickr.com/photos/11236515@N05/albums/72157604532024660 The owner, a landscape architect, insisted on using Douglas Fir 4″ T&G planks but he came up with some Marine Epoxy which hopefully bought the boards some time. There used to be a synthetic decking board (4″ T&G) called Tendura planks but the company went out of business. I’ve noticed ads in the Old House Journal (not to be confused with This Old House) for a new synthetic decking plank called Aeratis (Co. link) : http://www.aeratis.com/?gclid=COH09sXF-M4CFQIaaQod6OUGhw but I have no experience using it. Trex is another supplier of synthetic decking boards but they are 6 inches wide and need an 1/8 expansion gap between each board and its neighbor. If you use standard 4″ wide T & G yellow pine, then prime all four sides and use the best deck paint you can find. Even then, You’ll be lucky to get 10 years without significant deterioration. Today’s woods are not of the quality (old growth heartwoods) of 115 year ago. If it were my project, I’d probably rebuild the deck first then dismantle the porch roof (covering over the new porch deck with used plywood temporarily for surface protection) I’d recommend keeping the original columns; they can be cleaned up, repaired where necessary. (using Abatron’s wood epox and liquid wood where applicable) Here’s a porch project I did in St. Joseph, MO some years ago on a 1901 mansion: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11236515@N05/albums/72157626297050108 Some of the large (10 ft.) columns had broken down into staves (they were constructed like a barrel with a hollow inside-thankfully, the owner saved all the pieces) but I was able to re-glue, repair with epoxy, prime and paint as well as reinstall every single one of the 21 columns. (I had three others in my crew) During stripping off the old paint layers, I was able to make an exact color match, so the columns were repainted in the original color. The porch project won a local historic preservation award for the owner.
    Last, you do know that your entry door is made of beautiful quarter sawn Oak under the white paint? The brass hardware is original (even the electric doorbell plate and button) and are of fine quality. I’ve told Paul W. when we relocate to Indiana I plan to repair, restore, and refinish period entry doors once I have some shop space set up. As you already know, the Greensfelder house is remarkably intact for a house of the period.

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    • TRJ says: 6 comments

      I’m ridiculously impressed with your knowledge and know how. Honestly. It’s really funny that you brought up the front door. I was honestly thinking about stripping the paint and just staining the heck out of it and calling it broke. I ADORE quarter sawn oak and find it to be charming and absolutely impressive when stained and cared for right. I didn’t see much in the way of damage to the door either. My husband noticed all the old brass hardware and his plan of action was to strip the paint off and polish that up. He spent 14 years in the Navy, pretty sure he bleeds brasso and salt water at this point, lol.

      Synthetic decking just doesn’t do it for me. I’ve seen some products at local shops like Menards, but I just have never really been wowed by the stuff. Lots of wood-look recycled plastic and fiber cement as well… Not my style. The decking will be wood again, but it’s going to be really well taken care of and carefully maintained. Replacing a few deck planks every few years is one thing, ripping out an entire deck is another. We do plan to restore to original dimensions and layout and we will be salvaging all the pillars, railings, etc. Just the steps and the banisters will be changed for the sake of aesthetics. I honestly loathe what’s there now. Hoping to see photos of the home from the historical archives to get an idea of what the stairs/banisters looked like originally and go from there. The fun part here with the porch and columns is that she’s going to be a blank slate colorwise.

      The house itself… Oy… Wood. Wood and more wood. I refuse to go vinyl siding. I’m sorry, but I hate the stuff. I’m also looking at the roof with the brass pieces at the top (fleur-d’lis etc) and going “there’s missing pieces. Why?! Must find!” and that’s going to be a task. The actual slate roof is in relatively decent shape with a few areas needing repair. It’s going to be a task, but in all honesty… The majority of her work is exterior. I can dig that. The rest is going to be making decisions inside as far as color and texture… Do I want wall paper? I’ve got to find a balance between historical accuracy and functionality because, let’s be real, it’s being owned by a family and I have two young boys.

  36. Paul W says: 467 comments

    The Roof cresting (trim) may still be in the basement. There is a lot of stuff in that basement tucked away, the screens are there. There is a lot of trim and much of it from the house where the post office sits now. But we can find matches for you for anything you are missing.

    You may find out you have stenciling under that white paint and possibly a muraled ceiling in the front parlor. I noted some color under that ceiling. There were a number of artisans who did work in Logansport in the era that the house was built.

  37. ReginaKTReginaKT says: 54 comments

    TRJ – I’m so glad to hear that you will be restoring the tiles! They are such a special piece of this home, as is all of the woodwork. If I lived in your neck of the woods, I would be happy to help restore those tiles. 🙂 I would love to have a project like this, but, alas, it’s not to be at this time. 🙂 I will be following your blog to see how you and your family are progressing on this beauty. I’m quite interested to see how you’re able to restore/renovate and make it work for a family with young boys! 🙂 Much luck and well wishes on this enormous project!

  38. Paul W says: 467 comments

    It closed Friday, best wishes to the new owners and welcome to Logansport

  39. TRJ says: 6 comments

    Yep. Closed yesterday morning. We were there all afternoon just basking and tinkering a bit. Got an old radio working and just kind of milled around coming up with a true battle plan. I can say with great certainty after yesterday’s rain that the leaks aren’t active. The drywall work is overwhelming, though. One day and one room at a time.

  40. John Shiflet says: 5452 comments

    Congratulations, TRJ. You have taken on a real labor of love but the rewards will be knowing you saved a unique period home that once was the home of a prominent Logansport family. You and your family will be forever associated with saving this landmark home just like the original Greensfelders.

    I think I solved (for myself) the puzzle of your stellar floor tiles which initially to me they looked just like Minton-Hollins & Co. products: https://archive.org/details/MintonTilesMintonHollinsCo.PatentTileWorksStokeUpon-trent I discovered the other day a super rare products catalog (1882?) by the United States Encaustic Tile Company of Indianapolis, Indiana: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/gdc/scd0001/2004/20040524002en/20040524002en.pdf According to World Cat, there is only one more known copy in the New York Public Library. This copy is in the Library of Congress but alas, its missing 15 color products plates. Still, you can get an idea of their product lines. Note (on the cover) that the superintendent of manufacturing is Robert MINTON Taylor, an English transplant who came to Indianapolis from the Fenton Tile Works in Stoke-upon-Trent, (and London) England. You’ll note by comparison many of the Minton-Hollins and U.S. Encaustic products look almost identical. Thus, I now believe the tiles in your house were made by U.S. Encaustic of Indianapolis and I would not call them Minton “knock offs” because apparently the manufacturing was overseen by a member of the Minton family. (Minton made some of the finest ceramics in Victorian era Great Britain) U.S. Encaustic was in business from 1877 to 1937 and was done in by the Depression like so many U.S. decorative arts makers. The fact that these tiles were made locally may make it easier to find replacements for missing or damaged tiles. (or you could look for the same in antique Minton tiles which sometimes are sold on e-Bay, often by U.K. based sellers.

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