c. 1890 Queen Anne – McComb, MS

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Added to OHD on 7/8/14   -   Last OHD Update: 10/30/18   -   120 Comments
327 Missouri Ave, Mccomb, MS 39648
  • 3 Bed
  • 1 Bath
  • 1926 Sq Ft
Large Victorian home in need of restorations is waiting for the right investor.
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120 Comments on c. 1890 Queen Anne – McComb, MS

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  1. AvatarShelley says: 20 comments

    Whoa those vines! Love the porch detail. Swoon!

  2. Paul WPaul W says: 563 comments

    The house is not overpriced but definitely underloved. The Porch is still at a point that its restorable and duplication of the column can be done. I suspect water damage but I wouldn’t rule out termites.

    The patterned saws shingle work on this house is incredible and I can imagine this painted out in an appropriate color combo. This would be a perfect painted lady book house post restore.

    Get the paneling out and assess the condition of the plaster. Pocket doors are nice as are the mantels but someone who knows what they are doing needs to faux marble them. The faux graining is too regular and you can tell, so start over.

    This would be a great base for a grand period over-the-top restoration. I like this one! and the homes around it don’t look too bad

  3. Avatarbotto1968@att.net says: 2576 comments
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    Escondido, CA

    What is the hole in the floor inside? A heat register with cover removed?

    • Curiouser GeorgeCuriouser George says: 162 comments

      I think the hole is less a large register and more a furnace underneath with the grating missing. When I was younger, my mother did something similar to the hallway in our small house. During the winters we would huddle over the grating to dress as the warm air shot up from underneath.

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    • AvatarCarlos says: 2 comments

      It reminds me of a Pink Panther episode. The Pink Panther would just put a rug on it, even if it means the mother will fall into the hole.

  4. AvatarSage says: 75 comments

    What an excellent exterior. I love that porch.

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  5. JimJim says: 4105 comments

    I have to wonder about a house as cheap and beautiful as this, apparently vacant for years. Worth saving? Not a question so easily answered if it’s your money.

  6. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Very impressive exterior details (albeit neglected) although the interior is more modest-at least in its current configuration. It may have been just as ornate originally inside. Not well cared for as Paul has noted. A creative carpenter took various scroll-sawn and turned ornamental elements and combined them to make this gingerbread confection. One seldom sees these highly ornamental houses nowadays but they were once very common. (I can recall many years ago gazing in awe at blocks of these fancy houses now almost all gone or have been altered with artificial siding and the ornamental details removed and discarded) Even in its neglected condition, one can see the potential in this house but the location and required work to bring it back are not for the faint of heart. I noticed in streetview a number of older homes in the neighborhood and I did not notice any that were restored.

  7. AvatarLinford Niemeyer says: 7 comments

    I grew up in this house back in the ’60s, when it was in proper shape. My friends called it, ‘the castle’. Part of the house burned in the 80’s, and the back rooms still show the damage. It has not been properly repaired since the fire. The pictures show only the front rooms. There are / were three rooms upstairs, along with a bath. The hole by the pocket doors between the living room and dining room is definitely an old floor furnace. The neighborhood is starting to undergo a bit of revitalization, albeit very slowly. The houses on both sides are in good shape, but a couple of the houses across the street are falling down. For someone who could put their heart and wallet into it, it could be a true Victorian showpiece, from the very early beginnings of McComb’s history.

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    • AvatarNavarand says: 2 comments

      Hi Linford, I am in the process of purchasing this house and am interested in it’s history. I assume you are related to Henry & Hank, am I correct? Also I would love to get a digital copy of the photos you posted here if possible. I downloaded these but they were not the best quality. I appreciate any info you can provide.

      • AvatarAllison says: 1 comments

        Good Luck on restoring this, I would love to be able to watch your progress, are you on Facebook?

      • AvatarMikeB says: 1 comments

        Congratulations on your purchase! I am an old house owner and lover. I live in a ca.1900 Victorian in New Jersey. My questions are: What kind of floors in the house? My house has pine floors throughout most of the house. The kitchen and bathrooms had linoleum floors. All the walls and ceilings in the house were wallpapered. Where I could see remnants of original papers they were ornate. The roof was black slate with built-in gutters at the edge. It was reslated with Peach Bottom slates. The roof had holes that previous roofers covered with aluminum and then shingles. There was a branch circuit that went up the side of the house, over the overhang and right through a hole in the sheet metal! Thankfully the slate roofers repaired the roof deck and when they did they were amazed that the roof was straight and did not dip or settle in any way. I see the woodwork in the house is painted. I hope you will strip it. Do you know what the species is? My house has chestnut, which is very similar to oak in appearance. I am sending you my prayers that the Lord blesses your house and your efforts!

      • AvatarBrenda Coleman says: 1 comments

        So glad to hear someone bought it, have been watching it for years. We lived in a restored 1910.
        kk

  8. AvatarNebride says: 33 comments

    What a sweet looking house – the molding and exterior details make me drool!

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  9. AvatarRachel says: 3 comments

    Oh those lions!

  10. AvatarPraying For A Plantation says: 3 comments

    These fixer uppers are my favorite to look at. I see so much potential in them.

  11. AvatarJen M says: 9 comments

    Wow… So beautiful! The inside is definitely modest, but has some great bones that I’m sure could be something pretty impressive. That exterior though… I wonder how bad the structure is as this point.

  12. JftrendsJftrends says: 18 comments

    We went and saw this home couple of weeks ago and it is beyond repair, the roof and exterior walls have very large holes and the water just pours thru the house. It was probably a beautiful home in its day, such a shame it will probably end up just falling down.

    • RossRoss says: 2384 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      I can appreciate that this home may well be too much for YOU, but to blanket declare that it is beyond restorable is, well…

      There is no such thing as a home beyond repair. A person with the time, energy, skills, and some money can do wonders.

      I see a LOT about this beauty which indicates that it would be worth the effort. Roofs can be fixed, missing plaster replaced, and rot eradicated.

      The front porch of this house is one of the best I have ever seen. Indeed, the entire facade is charm personified. I also see lovely interior details, trim, and doors.

      And all for $8K?

      Last year I looked at a big old home in terrible condition. Terrible! While the owner was showing me around, he suddenly asked: “Ross? You DO see all this, right?” He waved his hand around at the terrifying damage to the walls and ceiling in the dining room, all caused by roof leaks. And every room looked about the same. Some were much worse.

      I assured him that I did see all the damage. He replied: “Every single person BUT you, when I show the house, freaks out about all the damage. You do not seem to either notice though, or care, and that worries me. I do not think you understand what you will be getting yourself into if you buy the house.”

      I smiled, and assured him that I did see all the damage. But as it was all fixable, it did not really matter to me. What DID matter was the extraordinary beauty of the house. What also mattered was that all eight mantles (and the over-mantles) were still in place, as were all the 40 stained-glass windows, plus all the original doors/trim/hardware. The incredible front porch was mostly intact, and what was missing could be accurately recreated. The foundation was solid. Well, all THIS is what really mattered to me.

      And the price, luckily, reflected the ISSUES rather than the BEAUTY.

      So I purchased the big old house.

      Best thing I have ever done.

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    • Avatarlilypondfarm says: 1 comments

      having rehabilitated old homes, i must say that this one is NOT beyond repair..WE’ve tackled caved in roofs, falling walls, termites, joists, and the list goes on..like somebody said above, spending 100K on rehabbing an 8k house is a bargain..WEve spent more than that on smaller places and were pleased with results and the homes are now sold and happily occupied! NEVER say NEVER!

      • AvatarBrenda, Walker, LA says: 3 comments

        it could be repaired but it would never yield a profit if resold, due to the average price per sq ft in this area, we saw it today, it was so sad to see its ruination, but some of its parts could be salvaged.

  13. Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 10059 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Reduced to $15,000.

  14. Paul WPaul W says: 563 comments

    Been wanting a “winter place” down south..sigh…if I could sell off some of the cincy properties I would be tempted. Holes in the roof? No big deal I’ve restored worse

    • JftrendsJftrends says: 18 comments

      Good luck it is beyond repair! We have restored several and there was no way we would have tackled this beast. It is rotten to the core and is about ready to fall in on itself. If they get a strong wind in McComb it will be gone.

  15. Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 10059 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Reduced to $8,000!

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  16. AvatarTaraLynn says: 2 comments

    Such a shame, what a Beautiful house!!!!! I don’t see many like this here in Calgary Alberta Canada

  17. AvatarLynn says: 67 comments

    If I lived anywhere near Mississippi I would definitely buy this house and restore it. I agree with Ross (who is the most positive person ever) that with the money and the resources, nothing is beyond repair. This house could be fantastic again, but someone better save it soon or I’m afraid it will fall in.

  18. Avatarwhit whittington says: 1 comments

    I would love to come back home to Miss. And save this great house. Just wish I had the money to buy it.

  19. AvatarKim says: 1 comments

    I wish I had the money, knowledge & talent necessary to renovate this beautiful home! Unfortunately, I have none of the above. The $8,000 purchase price is just a very small drop in the bucket.

  20. AvatarAD says: 1 comments

    I spent my toddler years in this house in the 70’s. This breaks my heart.

    • AvatarAnnaB says: 2 comments

      Oh! How amazing this must have been for you! Is that Raggedy Ann and Andy wallpaper?
      I am trying to convince my hubby to look at this beautiful home. Watching the show Fixer Upper makes me think tackle this! Lol! I have been daydreaming about this one. Truly I have visions of tea parties with my 3 children.

  21. AvatarPaula says: 1 comments

    How many rooms?

  22. AvatarDavid Redlands says: 78 comments

    Too bad the neighbors don’t get together to try to save the home for the neighborhood. It looks like a nice street. I wish I could go see it in person to really take a look at the condition. The one statement “rotten to the core” seems to sound very bad. When I look at the pictures, the house looks like it still could be saved. It is a very special home. The stick and ball fretwork on the porch is some of the best I have every seen. The turret and all of the great cut shingle work is amazing! Why doesn’t the owner at least just put a roof on it? So sad…

  23. JftrendsJftrends says: 18 comments

    Like I said previously this house is really bad. The realtor did not show how bad this is in his pictures. Yes anything is fixable with the right amount of money thrown at it, but to invest that kind of money in that house would be nuts in our opinion. It could be described as being held together by termites holding hands. The back part of the home is completely burnt out the floors exist in spots, the roof is barely there. It is ashame it has been left so long in the condition it is, this house was probably gorgeous at one time.

    • RossRoss says: 2384 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      I have no issue with your stating that the house is too much work for you.

      But your comments come across like NO ONE should even bother, because you would not.

      Geez, this seems unfair to the house.

      Every person who looks at this house will have a different reaction.

      Some will think: EEK! And they will run.

      Some will think: Ummm, this is a scary amount of work, but…

      Some will think: Cool! This place SO needs to be saved!!!!!! Whoee!!!!!! WHOEE!!!!!!

      I would care less if the back is fire-damaged. I could rebuild it. What matters to me is that GORGEOUS, INCREDIBLE, INTOXICATING front. A front dreams are made of.

      You talk about the house as if it was ONLY damage. But there be some dazzling stuff there…too.

      And for but eight grand.

  24. AvatarLinford Niemeyer says: 7 comments

    I grew up in this house (see previous comment). Although it pains me to say it, this house is, indeed, beyond repair, save a whole-house rebuild that utilizes whatever is salvageable for parts. The cost would be prohibitive, as the most one could hope for at resale in this neighborhood is around $70,000. It is truly a shame that whoever currently owns the property has let it rot. It was a showplace in its’ day. The best that could realistically be hoped for at this point in time would be for someone to salvage all those wonderful architectural details that are still intact for use elsewhere.

  25. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Ross, I don’t always agree with everything you write but here we are on the same page. A badly neglected house like this to be saved needs the architectural equivalent of medical “triage”. The two critical issues for any old house are the roof and foundation. No restoration can move forward until both of these issues are resolved. I agree a lot of deconstruction or temporary support might have to occur and maybe much of the attic/roof framing replaced or reconstructed. The brick piers do look pretty bad but here’s how you fix that: (before) https://www.flickr.com/photos/11236515@N05/1076980809/in/album-72157601360538293/ and after: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11236515@N05/1077841268/in/album-72157601360538293/ and I did these over a decade ago and the rebuilt piers are still solid as a rock. I replaced the original cracked soft bricks that used lime mortar with harder bricks I salvaged from a 1909 house and used a type N mortar mix. The basic approach to the foundation problem would be to find the highest point of the foundation (one could use a laser level) and then jack up the rest of the house to that level putting temporary block supports and then rebuilding the old piers. (or pouring modern concrete piers with construction tubes adding rebar and then facing them with bricks.) Once you have a new roof keeping things in the dry, and a level foundation, a room by room approach to the rest of the project will work fine. I commented on FB today under the post for this house that I’d be willing to offer free restoration advice via email to anyone who is willing to take on this project if they needed information. I certainly do not know it all but I do know where to find the answers for those things I do not know. In summary, everything is relative…I will concede that this is not a candidate for a house flip or a house with the expectation of a handsome return upon completion but it is a unique house with distinctive details and worthy of a labor of love reconstruction-restoration if someone is willing to do it. If I won the lottery or otherwise could afford to, I’d probably spend the rest of my life going around rescuing houses like this and, at best, would try to break even or minimize losses. The return for me would be another piece of our architectural heritage saved for the future. These are the most difficult types of homes to save because they need so much. Otherwise, if no one is willing, then someone please save the entire porch with the decorative details and whatever is worth saving inside. Fully restored in period colors, this modest but highly ornamental house would be a knockout. Think about the “before and “after” photos anyone willing to tackle this project would have to show. These kinds of daring rescues really have lots of visual drama comparing the project’s beginning with the end result.

  26. AvatarLinford Niemeyer says: 7 comments

    Speaking of “before and after ” photos, I have some 100+ year old photographs of this house in its’ heyday. I see nowhere to post them here. If anyone can enlighten me, or would like me to see them, please let me know.

  27. Avatarabaker says: 18 comments

    Throwing in my two cents here…. Nothing is unrestorable, anything can be fixed with enough time and money. I cannot tell you how many times I have been involved with the purchase of a house declared a worthless disaster to find that with enough labor and enough love… That house comes roaring back to life. We’ve lifted houses and replaced foundations, removed and subsequently restored stucco to replace corner beams rotten to the core, handscraped and gently restored antique chestnut flooring riddled with termite damage, etc. It can all be fixed. The only question that remains is can this house find an owner who loves it with enough passionate obsession that all of the years of dust and debris are worth it. I would suggest that if you look at a house and say “no it’s dead” this is not the house for you. But for that one hopeless romantic who walks in and says “YES”… It is never too late. It is simply time, money, and a passion for preservation for a particular house.

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  28. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Well said, abaker. Where some see a house beyond help, others see a house waiting for someone to love it and bring it back. I have seen houses and structures brought back that even I would have to declare beyond saving for any rational person. I hope this house finds that dedicated person and we get to see it post-restoration. I’m also looking forward to seeing the period photos…I’m sure this house really stood out over a century ago.

  29. Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 10059 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Thank you Linford for sending in the old photos and a better quality exterior (you can see the damage of the exterior a bit better, be sure to click on the photo he sent in to make it bigger!) He also said this in his email: By way of historical information, you will notice that there were originally two identical houses, side by side. They were built by spinster sisters, ca. the 1890s. The house on the left is in fact the one currently on your site. The house on the right (331 Missouri Ave.) was remodeled into a one story Craftsman style bungalow by my grandfather, ca. the mid 1920s.

  30. AvatarJimC says: 48 comments

    At $8,000, IF you have the money, you could put about $125,000 into the property and still be economically feasible. I see several comps in the neighborhood at $125,000 plus. Depending on the damage, I think that’s doable. I grew up in Mississippi. It’s a lot cheaper to get things done than in many parts of the country. Looks like a steal to me.

    • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

      Another “damsel-in distress” but at least someone is working on it and caring for it. McComb reminds me a lot of Grenada, MS where a recently passed away old house enthusiast bought a house posted on this blog before his illness took him away: http://www.oldhousedreams.com/2014/03/14/1898-grenada-ms/ We were privileged to see the Grenada house in person last Fall. I’m not sure about its current status. Looks like plenty of opportunities exist for old house restorers/enthusiasts in McComb. I hope both of these Queen Anne style houses are saved and restored. Thanks for sharing the link.

    • RossRoss says: 2384 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      Thanks Jim! ‘Tis a beauty, indeed. The house appears to be one of those pictured in the last image Linford sent in.

  31. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Many thanks to Linford for sending in these photos! That first B & W photo is so clear it is a virtual image of an “after” restoration. Some contrast in color shades are noted which aids in determining color placement. That exact metal roof cresting pattern is still being made by the W.F. Norman corporation in tin or more expensive but durable copper. Same for the finials. Here’s a viewable and downloadable copy of their “Ornamental K” catalog: http://wfnorman.com/products/ornaments/ Both of these houses were very stylish for their time and sitting side-by-side must have been the showplaces of the neighborhood. That point is brought home in the “early residences” town photo which includes these two twin homes. Too bad these images weren’t available when this house first came to market but they will be of considerable value if anyone is willing to buy and save this once proud home. Again, many thanks to Linford. I sincerely hope this helps to trigger a positive response and increase potential buyer interest.

  32. AvatarShelley N says: 20 comments

    Thank you so much for sharing the old photos!!! I hope an old house lover with enough money finds this house!

  33. Avatarsusan mecca urbanczyk says: 1175 comments

    No one takes on a house like this because they are going to make money by flipping it. This house is a wedding cake beauty and it would be an act of love to restore it. Think of it with palm trees again and lovely gardens with a fountain. Personally, even of you put 150,000 into it how could you possibly duplicate this home for that in a new structure? You just couldn’t. It’s a beauty that deserves someone to love it again. If I was going to take it on I would also blog about it along the way for everyone that loves these old homes that so many think are no longer valuable.

    • AvatarAbaker says: 18 comments

      Susan… My sentiments exactly. I was ruminating on houses today as I was painting the hall in my own. These houses are a labor of love for their owners. I honestly don’t know if I’ve ever made a profit on a house that I’ve restored. I’ve tried to break even and I’ve left every house I’ve taken on with a chance (hopefully) at another century. To take on a project like this, you have to fall in love. I don’t know anyone who is reasonable or sane when in love. When my brother and I were kids we grew up across from a crumbling, turn of the century, behemoth. My brother adored this house. When the owner would leave for the summer.. He house sat and told everyone that he would someday live there and would bribe me to help him clean it from top to bottom while she was gone. 5 years ago… He bought it. She’s a money pit for sure….. 65 years of serious neglect and crumbling stucco. But he is saving her… One enormous project at a time. Who knows what makes us crazies walk into these crumbling old houses but for the right person this could be the project of their dreams.

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      • RossRoss says: 2384 comments
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        1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
        Emporia, KS

        Abaker,

        You wrote: “Who knows what makes us crazies walk into these crumbling old houses but for the right person this could be the project of their dreams.”

        Thank goodness for the crazies!!!

        • AvatarAbaker says: 18 comments

          Ross… I consider myself most blessed to be among them. I’ve learned more from my old houses than most people I know. Each one has been a journey, one that I will continue as long as I can hold a paint brush and climb a ladder. I’ll probably retire with less money than I could have. But I will be able to say that in my lifetime I have done things that bring me great joy. And I think that makes all the hard work worth it.

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          • Avatarsusan mecca urbanczyk says: 4 comments

            Abaker,

            Even as a little girl when my parents would drive though the crumbling waterfront of Portland Maine each summer I would stare at the buildings and think how wonderful they were. Of course now Portland waterfront is restored and beautiful but it took people to see through the decay.

            So that is what we do with our love for these beautiful old homes that need vision. We put life back into them. It is very rewarding, I agree. I also feel that way about the land around a neglected home. Bringing the land back to life is equally rewarding.

  34. AvatarTammy says: 1 comments

    I hope someone at least salvages all that beautiful gingerbread off the porch. A lot of woodwork could be saved if no one wants to take on the whole house.

  35. AvatarSusan says: 4 comments

    This sad, sweet old place really tugs at my heartstrings. I don’t know anything about restoring old houses, except that I’d love to try it, even knowing I’d probably end up way over my head.

  36. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Susan, as I previously mentioned, if you or anyone else has the courage to take on this project I’m willing to help with information. I’ve been working on old houses since the 1980’s and have completed projects in Texas, Missouri, and California. The basic approach to this one is: 1. cleanup…take out trash and debris (not the same as gutting the house which I don’t recommend) and cut away the vines; 2. evaluate all the needs: the roof and foundation come first in that order. Everything else follows. Figure a few thousand for the roof (if you do all or most of the work yourself) as it will need some structural re-framing based on information from those who have seen it. A few hundred for materials for foundation work…again, assuming you or someone working with or for you know what they are doing…(not a good DIY project for those with zero experience) You’ll need lots of heavy sound wood blocks (sound railroad ties can work) and house jacks rated at 10 tons or more; I prefer the old worm screw type but make sure the threads are sound if you use these kind as overloading them will cause the screw threads to shear off, crack and/or break. (old ones should be carefully inspected) Never use the sudden drop kind. Bowed foundation sills would have to be gradually (over a period of weeks or longer) pushed back up to level-trying to level them in one try will cause them to crack and break. No matter what type or method you use to level a house, safety always comes first, you don’t want a house to land on you like in the Wizard of Oz movie. I think at a minimum without seeing the full scope of the house’s condition you might need as much as $25k to make the house camp-able. Don’t forget to contact the city building department before you begin work, you may have to pull some permits and allow inspections. The price of the house may be cheap but bringing it back probably won’t be. That said, I still hope someone is willing to make the effort.

    • Avatarcindy says: 7 comments

      If purchased does it have to b restored to certain standards? I wouldn’t want someone ne telling me what to do. Don’t get me wrong ideas and help is always welcomed

      • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

        Cindy, those restrictions generally apply to local historic districts which I do not believe this house is in one. From a resale perspective, it’s better to have original type siding (synthetic Hardie planks look like original clapboards and last forever and would be acceptable) please keep (repair or rebuild) the original windows but outside of those items you pretty much have a carte blanche to do as you wish. As far as anyone telling you what not to do, that would b the city of McComb building department code standards department. (nothing to do with old houses just making sure all McComb homes meet minimum standards for safety and proper systems meeting city building code. Paint the house any color(s) you wish, green with pink polka dots is even permissable. Only in well established historic districts with strong neighborhood association overview and enforcement (like Savannah, Charleston, the Garden District in NOLA) are there restrictions of the kind you mention.

  37. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Addendum: In the “too far gone to save” category of restoration is the Stoddard House restoration in Silver City, Idaho. Someone posted a before and after image of this severely deteriorated house on FB and it almost makes this McComb house look like an easy project. Nothing is impossible if the necessary willpower and resources are available.

  38. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Ross, you deserve all the thanks! I searched high and low for that “before and after” image online and couldn’t find it, somehow, you did. From one believer in never say its too far gone to save, to another, I salute you. One could make a fair number of arguments as to why saving this McComb, MS Queen Anne makes little sense but I still hope there’s someone out there willing to do so. I noted today the heat in Jackson, MS (to the north of McComb) was in the neighborhood of 110F. With the humidity common in that region just surviving that heat would be challenging enough. However, in a couple of months we can expect slightly cooler weather and Mississippi winters are not months of constant ice and snow. I could see making this house minimally habitable for the Spring as a project over the Fall and Winter months. Weary northern snowbirds able to afford a winter haven could also consider it. (as the late John C. a retired lawyer from Chicago did in Grenada, MS; he stayed in a local motel until he was able to move into his Victorian house there) I’m keeping my fingers crossed on this one…

    • Curiouser GeorgeCuriouser George says: 162 comments

      I’m greatly saddened to learn of John C’s death, and will miss his comments and knowledge. He was a good man.

      • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

        Brave man, indeed. My wife and I had the privilege of meeting him in person in Grenada last November. He put up a courageous battle against cancer and survived two years beyond his doctor’s expectations. Perhaps that gave him some false hope because he went ahead and bought the Grenada, MS Victorian cottage knowing his vulnerabilities. He was lucid right up until his final days and will always be fondly remembered.

  39. AvatarDora says: 5 comments

    I really don’t like the word’s rotten to the core. I am going to do my darndest to get this home! Restore it to it’s former glory. One step at a time. My daddy was a carpenter, my mama worked beside him, my family has a motto…nothing is impossible, with determination and being a south Mississippi woman, a red head to boot, I will restore this home. Then I’ll invite you naysayers over for a little party.

  40. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Dora, that’s the spirit! And with it you WILL succeed and save this house. You already have a fan club here waiting to cheer you on. Since a project like this is a major milestone in a person’s life, I recommend keeping a record of your restoration journey because its something you’ll cherish for a lifetime and can help inspire others to meet the challenges of bringing back a badly deteriorated old house. Historic Preservation is alive and well in the Magnolia State and there are a number of resources and fellow preservationist there. Here’s a blog/forum with a variety of Mississippi related preservation topics: http://misspreservation.com/ My late friend, John Clifford, a retired Chicago lawyer who bought a winter Victorian home in Grenada, used to frequently participate in an online Mississippi group and found valuable information there. I wish you the best if you decide to bring this once prominent home back from the brink. It’s good you have construction experience in your family because a house like this requires a lot of different talents and building trade knowledge.

  41. Avatarsusan mecca urbanczyk says: 1175 comments

    Dora,

    You go girl!!! You can do this! This beautiful place is worthy of someone just like you to care for it and bring it back to it’s former glory. Please blog it all. We want to see!!!

  42. Curiouser GeorgeCuriouser George says: 162 comments

    Maybe this makes me a naysayer, and I realize that I’m in the minority regarding the restoration of this once beautiful home, but I would caution to not let one’s emotions be the primary motivating factor in purchasing it. We’re all agreed that it will take plenty of time and money to restore, and I do hope Dora has the wherewithal to accomplish this. Regardless, it’s certainly not a project for the faint-of-heart.

  43. AvatarJanet and Chris says: 2 comments

    Greetings all. My husband and I went to visit this beautiful house today. I wanted to cry. Such a glorious gem she must have been. I’m saddened to say it is quite devastating what we saw. We took pictures and video if anyone would like to view. We planned to enter, but to walk on the porch would be considered unsafe at best. We have a passion for such historic and charm, but even living 3 hrs away, it would be at least a year project for us and simply too much of a commitment at this time in life. There is an empty lot across the street that would accommodate a duplicate with what salvageable pieces are without a doubt still there. These pieces alone seem worthy of the 8k. The intrigue was overwhelming. And the soul of this place is heartbroken. I can see the teenagers sneaking out of the upstairs windows…. croquet being played on the front lawn.. Christmas wreaths in the windows… and rockers and lemonade on the porch. What memories she has. Unfortunately I do not see great hope of anyone (considering how long she has sat in grim silence) rescuing her. And with the exception of a few neighboring houses, the street is pretty desolate. The hopeless romantic in me fantasies that she could restore life to all of them. With the most sincerity….. Janet (and Chris).

  44. AvatarBeth says: 5 comments

    Y’all, I have the time. I’m single, a solo truck driver the only thing I worry about is where I’m going to walk my dog. I stay on the road alot. Come in and bored having nothing to work on. I am going to do my darndest to do what can bring done. I’ve got time.I’m determined.

    • AvatarSusan says: 3 comments

      Beth, I’d love for you to rescue this damsel in distress! Would also love seeing photos of the restoration process. Even the Raggedy Ann wallpaper makes me smile.

  45. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Beth, I admire your determination because that’s exactly what will be needed to see this house put back together again. Since its not livable and probably won’t be for a while, you might get an electric service utility pole set up behind the house, (for power tool use) park a small trailer or RV there(and can connect it to city sewer and water) and dwell on the site until its habitable. (unless you rent or already have a place to stay locally) A construction security fence around the perimeter will limit unauthorized access if you are on the road and have materials or fixtures stored on the premises. (you can also get a 20 foot shipping container with a heavy duty lock and store materials in there to avoid theft) I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised that once your project starts to show promise, some of your neighbors will start paying closer attention to their properties. This spin-off neighborhood improvement effect is common when a neglected property starts to come back and is one of the overlooked benefits of historic preservation. Good luck and please keep us posted on your progress.

  46. AvatarPappy Slingluff says: 2 comments

    Pappy the plasterer here, its time for me to jump in. Found this fun site from looking up the 52 wall st New York house. IN my mind I already had my boat tied to the tree out back, us (ex) alcoholics are pretty grandiose. We couldn’t afford NY taxes so its a pass on that. Been on Kelly’s wonderful site for 2 days now and stayed up all night with a jammed up pc studying this thread. Showed it to mrspappy1 this morning and called the realtors. Sounds like a lady maybe Dora\beth put in her offer, if its you hon pack a big lunch. We bought a 1897 Vic in Utah vacant for over 20 years and spent ten years and all xtra funds as available. the old man 96 yr old died 5 days before I saw the house, went to the court house to get 92 old widows name, house was taxed at 500 salvage value. I jacked it leveled as John and Ross advised, plaster was too far gone so we gutted it, with out the lath it leaned to the right side and a cable, chain, boomer wrapped diagonal around top and bottom plates brought it upright again. I praised God as I read the John Clifford tale. 2 or 3 years into project My wife was diagnosed with incurable cancer with an inoperable tumor wrapped around her carotid artery without a surgeon in the world willing to remove it, as a new believer I let God know my 3 ruthers and he granted all three. We confounded medical science and danced out the door, our surgeon went on to be the founder of SHIM spiritual healing in medicine institute,22 years later and wife only suffers from what the doctor did. Im 60 now and had a heart attack 10 years ago and quit plastering until 6 months ago I quit smoking and thought I was goin to die , thought I got diabetes and finally went to a doctor, we argued for a while till he said nurse bring in the EKG. He comes back in freaked out SAYS you had a heart attack, I said yeah 10 years ago,(doc)- “whatdid they say” (me)”who’s they I didn’t go to a doctor” mrspappy1 took care of me then and now I know its not diabetes she can take care of me now. I mentored a drunk Disbarred attorney 15 years ago and taught him to plaster he called me last month to go to aurora co to do a house with him . pretty shaky at first but the more I pushed mud the better I feel. I’ll let Dora’s offer go in for a couple days then make a 2 day trip to MS and make mine. With such a support group as found here I think I could put one more together, it shure beets sittin on the couch wonderin whos gonna kick first. The tax man saw the inside of my $500 Utah house and upped the value over 150,000. I rent it out for 1200 per month when oil is high the town booms. We bought Roy Accuff’s Grandmas condemned house in Tenn and saved it. You could hear the hiway from there but I never heard anyone pray there either. Now we live in our own ghost town\ no ghost just 800 ft of hiway and 1920s gas station adobe shacks I’ll post a couple pictures if I can figure it out. Wonderful to meet yall, Kelly if Janet and Chris sent you pictures of the damages I’d love to have a look before a 2 day drive but I put my vote in with Ross and John .With God all things are possible. Hope to see some of you later Pap the plasterer

    • AvatarDora says: 5 comments

      Pappy, I intend to do the best for this old lady. She deserves better.

      • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

        Hi “Pappy”, thanks for the introduction; nice to meet a fellow old house “character” with colorful stories like those you shared. As for overcoming obstacles, it’s often said when life knocks you down on your knees, you’re in a good position to begin praying. I salute your determination and glad that you’ve not let life’s challenges become insurmountable. Yes, John Clifford was truly an inspiration for everyone as he didn’t let a terminal cancer prognosis prevent him from following his old house dream. I assume by plasterer, you mean working with the traditional 3-coat plaster (scratch, brown, neat) over lath or metal lath using screeds and grounds for leveling? Not many practitioners of this almost lost art nowadays so if you’re among them, you have my admiration and respect. I take the easy route in making plaster repairs by patching in blue/green board. (I also use Larsen’s Plaster Weld and mesh bedding tape) Although I have a working knowledge about how a 3-coat plaster job is done, I would not attempt to do so myself. (folks, it’s not easy work, especially plastering a ceiling) I wish Dora the best if she takes on this project; besides grit and determination she may occasionally need some experienced advice if this is her first old house adventure although with her family construction background she’s probably better prepared than most to take this one on. I’m a bit older than you, Pappy, so my direct participation in old house restoration is gradually winding down and becoming more selective than in the past. (using the keyboard more these days than a hammer) Thanks for sharing your story and I wish you the best as you continue on your journey.

  47. Avatarpappy says: 2 comments

    Mrs Pappy was relieved when I told her Dora wasn’t just whistling Dixie. you know John its the mileage not the years, my client in Aurora was 75 with quad bypass and did circles around me. My 1st house I didn’t know how much strength the wood lathe added to the house so Dora if you strip her to her studs be sure to diagonal brace. When I was young we slacked our own lime, I don’t know where to find it anymore in the 80s veneer plasters and synthetic stucco were introduced here and old style muds are hard to find, the old days they used horse and cow hair as binders, I just use whatever is available now. Last night there was a scary movie with ben afflac filmed in the hotel de paris in Georgtown Colo. I stayed up an extra hour to watch cause I was spreading mud there in 1975. It was built in 1875 with Chinese labor. One day I was mixing outside with a hoe and a Chinese man took my picture HaHA. that’s the only job I ever signed, lower right side parking lot if anyone goes there they charge 5.00 to see the place. Sometime before 1875 the lathe was some kinda wood split like an accordion, by 1875 they used square lathe nails by 1900 round ones. in the early 50s rock lathe was made with holes so the mud would press through and make a keyway was used but they found the paper had an excellent bond with the mud and the holes actually weekend the wall so after they dropped the holes 16″ by 48″ just kept gitting bigger, 48″ by 12ft and forget the plaster all together. there was 12 plastering companies in Boulder when dry wall came out,11 went into other trades and I learned from mr 12. Good luck to you Dora and nice to meet you John

  48. AvatarJanet Joyce says: 2 comments

    Just sent our outside pics and videos to Kelly. Would love for some of these to become the ‘before’ pics : )

  49. Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 10059 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Uploaded some of the photos Janet sent in. Thank you Janet and husband!!!! 🙂

    Honestly, I’ve seen way worse brought back although it was about an 80%+ rebuild in that case. I hope someone doesn’t see this as a weekend project house. It needs serious muscle and know how or a person that can hire muscle and the serious know how. Not a flip, not a sell in a few years and make your money back kind of deal either. Just because you have $8k now doesn’t mean you should rush out and buy this because if you don’t have the money to immediately start on EVERYTHING then it will not be in any better position than it is now, you will only prolong it’s deterioration. I’m throwing this out to anyone considering it.

    If you have knowledge, REAL knowledge not armchair restoration/construction, feel free to discuss the needs of this home because it’s obvious from the pics what kind of damage is has.

    • RossRoss says: 2384 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      Thanks Janet! Thanks Kelly!

      Well, I have lots of experience, and see nothing which cannot be fixed.

      To me, the MOST important questions when restoring an old house are:
      1) Is everything original, or close to it?
      2) Are all the original bits still in situ? I mean, doors, windows, mantles, trim, etc.

      If the answer is yes to the above questions, then CONDITION is something I am not too worried about. Yes, it is nice if the condition is perfect, but that almost never happens. All old houses need work, and the lower the price the greater amount of work should be expected. And this house is almost free!

      I see a lot of roof and eave issues on the house. This is all fixable, but I agree with Kelly 100%: It needs serious muscle and serious know how, or a person who can hire serious muscle and serious know how.

      Great house. Fabulous house! It just depend what you see. The damage? Or the glory of the house? If you just see the former, RUN! If you see the latter, good for you, and caveat emptor!

  50. AvatarElaine says: 140 comments

    Oh come on ya’ll! I’ve seen TONS of houses on here that looked much worse than this one!

    For those who say that you could never turn a profit in this neighborhood? Well, mostly the people that love these houses are not TRYING to turn a profit. They’re buying the house because they are in love with it and and want to live in it. Not because they want to put their heart and soul into it and then let someone else run away with it and live THEIR lives in it! When people buy these houses and restore them, they are putting themSELVES into these homes. And you don’t put yourself into something to sell it off! And especially for profit! And so WHAT if it takes over a year, or over 2 years, or over 5 years? That’s not the point either. Buying these kinds of homes is a true labor of love. That phrase is used all the time, and cheaply when in comparison to what I’m talking about here. Ross is redoing Cross House as a labor of love. We don’t hear him complaining that it’s taking too long. He puts his heart and soul into that house. By the time he’s done, you truly won’t be able to separate them. He’s such a perfect example of what I’m talking about here. (You hear that Ross? You’re going to grow INTO your house! HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!) OK, I’m done waxing poetic. But you have to realize. This is all totally subjective, and people look at these projects with totally different eyes. People who are serious about houses like this are NOT faint of heart! It is exactly like falling in love. You will see lots of them in all sorts of shapes and sizes. But when you see the one for YOU, that you will do ANYTHING for, nothing will be able to shake you! (And the $8,000 price tag doesn’t hurt a bit!) (i.e, She’s wonderful AND she’s cheap!) Dora, if this is your baby, GO for it! The love awaits!

  51. AvatarShelley N says: 20 comments

    Are there any updates on the purchase of this home?

  52. Avatarcottontop says: 3 comments

    I agree with John and Ross, this is a diamond in the Rough, I love this house, these kinds of houses always seem to speak to my soul when I see them, I so wished I could find one in the West TN area. You have to look beyond the “old, damaged, rot, and see the potential and character and good bones of these homes, they’ve weathered more years than the newer ones built today. Also the house spoken of that the lawyer lived in Grenada MS is for sale at $51,000 it is the same one in the link you sent

  53. AvatarAnnaB says: 2 comments

    My heart is pounding as I wish we could take on this house. We currently live in Baton Rouge, but I plan on at least driving to look at this one. It would take a miracle to convince my hubby to buy something like this, but I do believe in miracles.:) Did Dora get the house?

  54. AvatarLinford Niemeyer says: 7 comments

    Good luck. Folks from New Orleans and Alexandria have successfully rebuilt houses just a couple of blocks away. Note the painted lady and folk victorian on Edgar Street , across the street from The Dinner Bell restaurant.

  55. JimHJimH says: 4105 comments
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    Looking at it again (thanks Linford!) and scrolling down the near 100 comments, obviously this house strikes a chord with its beautiful facade and extraordinary porch detail. There’s really no question that the house could be preserved, although it’s almost as clear that it wouldn’t be financially feasible unless a lot of work was done without pay.
    Whether it would be “worth it” to do it depends on the point of view. Beyond the wonderful porch and pretty facade, the structure is decrepit, and the interior is fairly routine without many fine details. I think it would be difficult to make this a great period house overall short of a heroic effort in time and money.
    I’d hate to see it lost though the investment required here might reasonably be better applied to a more complete and intact house. But the comments prove that love for these old places isn’t necessarily a rational thing.

    • RossRoss says: 2384 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      Jim,

      You wrote: “…the comments prove that love for these old places isn’t necessarily a rational thing.”

      And thank goodness!

      I would also like to add that a great many things in life, from falling in love, having children, writing a novel, planting a garden — and so many many many things — are not rational endeavors. And thank goodness!

      Thank goodness for the IRrational endeavor.

      Thank goodness! I would not wish to live in a world whereby only the rational was allowed.

      Long live the romantic, idealistic, hopeful endeavor!!!!!!!!!!

  56. AvatarDbwallace1687 says: 1 comments

    What’s the status on this house? I read through all (I think!) of the comments, but couldn’t tell if it had been purchased or not. I’m very interested, and am in the market for the project of a lifetime…

    What a BEAUTY!

  57. AvatarJanet says: 31 comments

    I recently stumbled across this website and am in love! I’m just curious though. When some of these homes are offered at bargain prices, is the sale expected to be all cash? What I really want to know is how to fund a restoration that may cost upwards of a $100k as well as the purchase price. I’d love to take on an old home, but my funds for restoration could quickly dry-up.

  58. AvatarTheCranberrySmuggler says: 5 comments

    I’ve been reading, all of these wonderfully colorful, and informative comments and I’m right on the edge of my seat! I feel like I’m watching a fabulous old “Who Done It?”, and the anticipation is killing me. Then suddenly, just as I think I’m about to find out, “Who Done It”, …..the reel ends. Nothin’! You’re killin’ me, here! Did Dora buy the house? Will this beauty be restored to all her original glory? Will the little Queen Anne in McComb breathe new life???? What’s that Lassie? The trail went cold and now I have to wait for someone to write the next chapter? Noooooooooo! I just gotta know! I just gotta!

  59. AvatarMama Rose says: 8 comments

    Hey y’all!…give us a break! If anyone knows what happened with this house it will save me a trip. Or I could just go eat at the Dinner Bell restaurant and look for myself!

  60. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4645 comments

    Mama Rose, everything looked promising on this one then the line went dead. Given the small investment required to buy this house that needed almost everything, not a lot of money was involved. For some people, that means once they get the enormity of work needed to bring a house like this back, they have second thoughts or what is also called buyer’s remorse. I continue to hope that all the work had kept the new owner(s) busy and at some point they would come back with amazing photos of a glorious restoration. But when its all said and done, we just don’t know. I hope if you find out something you wouldn’t mind sharing it here. Thanks!

  61. AvatarMama Rose says: 8 comments

    Thanks John! I can understand buyers remorse. Been there done that. I wanted this house so bad but I know at my age and no experience it would have been a disaster. I hope to get a road trip going soon. When I find out something I will let the group know. Still a dream of mine that is hard to let go.

  62. AvatarLinford Niemeyer says: 7 comments

    The house is still standing, pretty much in the same condition, although it is now missing some windows that appear to have been removed. This will present a new avenue for the elements and wildlife to come and go.

  63. AvatarMamaRose says: 8 comments

    Thanks Linford! Not what I was hoping to hear. 😩

  64. AvatarMcComb Native says: 2 comments

    Hello everyone. I understand that this will disappoint some of the posters on this forum, but my wife and I have purchased this home with plans to deconstruct and salvage the material. As Linford commented previously, we have already started the process. For what its worth, our decision to tear this lovely home down was not a simple one, and it is our plan to salvage as much of the material as possible and to document the entire process.

    • AvatarBrenda, Walker, LA says: 3 comments

      Smart move, we went to see it and although the pic shows a dreamy restore worthy structure, once you look into it, salvage is the best idea!

    • AvatarBonny says: 12 comments

      We recently bought an 1880 Victorian and would be interested in possibly purchasing some salvaged materials from this home. How can we contact you?

    • AvatarLinford Niemeyer says: 7 comments

      If it is still available, I would be interested in purchasing the original front door of the house. Please let me know if this is possible.
      Thanks,
      Lindy

  65. AvatarMama Rose says: 8 comments

    Well at least parts of this lovely old house will live on elsewhere. Thanks to all who helped me get the answers I was searching for! Now on the lookout for a new beauty!

  66. AvatarLinford Niemeyer says: 7 comments

    McComb Native,
    Thanks for the information. I really believe that salvaging is the best possible route for this house at this time. Having grown up in the house, I may be interested in purchasing some materials. How may I get in touch with you?

  67. AvatarBrenda, Walker, LA says: 3 comments

    I wouldn’t mind purchasing a few things we saw in the house!

  68. AvatarPaige H says: 1 comments

    I just stumbled upon this website in doing research about McComb. My father’s family lived there in the late 1800’s until the 1960’s. We were eating at the Dinner Bell in June of 2016, when I wandered over to this house that was just in ruins. I snapped a bunch of photos (I went inside) and wondering if there was any interest in seeing them.

    Thanks!

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