1905 Colonial Revival – Youngstown, OH

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Added to OHD on 6/10/14   -   Last OHD Update: 4/12/20   -   28 Comments
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239 N Heights Ave, Youngstown, OH 44504

  • $17,000
  • 5 Bed
  • 3 Bath
  • 3895 Sq Ft
  • 0.28 Ac.
Youngstown's affluent Manchester family once owned this 111 year old TRI-PLEX. Original turn of the century wood interior. 10 foot ceilings. 12 inch baseboards. Mahogany built-ins. 5 bedrooms. 4.5 baths. 4 fireplaces. 3895 sqft. 2 1/2 stories w/13 rooms total. 3 separate entrances. Historic Northside. NEEDS REHAB! Utilities are OFF. Many original features in place. Brick & lime cobble stone exterior. Original: doors, staircase & woodwork. Close Historic Wick Park. Within walking distance to the YSU Campus. Great rehab opportunity for a conversation to student housing w/up to 7 bedrooms in total. Potential to become a year round maker is right here! NO: land/lease contracts or options. SELLER will not finance or carry any notes. NOT: short, bank, estate, distress or REO sale. Privately owned. BUYER prospects will be asked for timely proof of funds prior to showing. Selling AS IS. No exceptions. AGENTS see Broker Remarks prior to scheduling.
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Linda Blough, Lakeside Realty
(330) 793-4200
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28 Comments on 1905 Colonial Revival – Youngstown, OH

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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11884 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Thanks to Barbara for submitting this home.

  2. says: 237 comments

    This is around the corner from my home. N. Heights has many elaborate homes–this isn’t even the coolest one–this is, however, an extraordinary amount of money, considering you could get something that is habitable for about 1/3 of that here.

  3. Paul W says: 471 comments

    Cleveland has a lot of great architecture and there unfortunately is a lot more real estate than people to buy it. Cleveland keeps using the term “rightsizing” and that means a lot of demolitions.

    The house has a lot going for it , but you are upside down the minute you buy it.

    • Doreen says: 237 comments

      Upside down doesn’t even come close. The house is on one of “those” streets where there are only a handful of actual residents now. There are some truly spectacular houses in Youngstown and several on that street. This isn’t one of them. Do a google map and you’ll see what I mean. Some people just do the old “squatting” routine around here and end up getting the houses for free (which is what has happened to the one next door to this one VERY recently–they are actually working on it).

      • RosewaterRosewater says: 6245 comments
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        1875 Italianate cottage
        Noblesville, IN

        Hey guys 🙂 Just wondering; can you find good house parts up there for pretty cheap? I need parts, and the prices down here are ridiculous. My newest project is an 1875 Italianate which has been slapped around and kicked to the curb. I need doors, trim, cabinetry, windows, mantles: well sh_t – just about everything – Hehehe. Normally I wouldn’t have taken on such a basket case, (not nearly as bad as THIS one though – oy), but I got a smokin good deal, and it’s on a really great brick street in the best part of town, so big upside potential.. LMK if you have the skinny on some good quality parts. Thanks Jeff

        • John Shiflet says: 5441 comments

          Jeff,
          Paul W. has a pretty good collection of old house parts. I have some salvage too but Texas is probably too far away. Besides, most of my stuff is post 1890. I did witness a large 1882 two story Italianate being bulldozed to the ground some years back and was not allowed to salvage anything. It was one of two surviving Italianates in Fort Worth, TX. (now only one remains) Anyhow, if you can go as far as Cincinnati, they demo an Italianate or two (commercial buildings especially) per week on average. Paul W. might be able to connect you to a good affordable salvage source there. Paul?

          • Paul W says: 471 comments

            At any given time I have lots of extra stuff. Cast iron and woods Mantels, occasionally lighting, I have a ton of staircase stuff, bead board , sinks, tubs, etc due to a redo project, We donate a portion of all our salvage sales back to our neighborhood association for our save not raze program, plus we consign a lot of stuff too for association members with extra stuff, Right now we are trying to find someone interested in a fire escape from a 3 story triplex that’s being converted back to single fam as part of our save not raze project.We try to make sure nothing goes to waste in our neighborhood.

            • RosewaterRosewater says: 6245 comments
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              1875 Italianate cottage
              Noblesville, IN

              Thanks’ Paul. I’ll keep you in mind once I get to the finish stage.. Looks like I’ll be doing a lot of by hand reproduction projects for the doors and trim and such. The style of doors and transoms used in my house is a rare one.. Good luck with your fire escape, and with your project.. They are trying to get better c.c.& r’s in the historic district here in Noblesville where the designation is such mostly in name only…

          • RosewaterRosewater says: 6245 comments
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            1875 Italianate cottage
            Noblesville, IN

            Thank’s John. It’s a shame you weren’t able to save anything from the house you mentioned; it’s probably for “insurance reasons”, the same excuse they’re giving people in Indy who want to salvage parts from the hundreds of houses they have scheduled for demo. Cinci lead is a good idea. I’ll have to make a trip over there…

  4. Doreen says: 237 comments

    LOL! I just google mapped it myself and then went around the corner to my own house and I’m standing there on the front porch! How funny!

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  5. Ross says: 2480 comments

    I am confused by the above comments.

    The house seems quite appealing, largely intact, but obviously in poor condition. But this should be expected for $17K. And one can always make an offer.

    As Doreen suggested, I Google “walked” the street. It looks very attractive. A few houses look empty, but most seem well cared for; indeed, the majority. The house next door (to the left) has a new roof and new windows.

    From the comments, I expected a Detroit-style war zone with mostly burned-out houses. The street looks mostly intact. Each house it lovely.

    And the house is not in Cleveland.

    There are two houses just down the street for sale:

    $40K
    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/225-N-Heights-Ave-Youngstown-OH-44504/34840381_zpid/

    $62K
    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/229-N-Heights-Ave-Youngstown-OH-44504/2108141536_zpid/

    A house across the street has the highest value estimate at $84K; the house next door (to the right) has the low of $6K.

    The street average value would be — a quick estimate — around $60K.

    Three blocks to the north, on Norwood, are three houses for sale. All seem comparable in size, seem in better condition, and all are around $15K. However, none are as appealing as the house in this thread.

    I really do not see a lot of houses in the immediate area for a lot less, unless one takes in to account this fire-ravaged shell for $5K:
    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/416-Lora-Ave-Youngstown-OH-44504/34840496_zpid/

    This house is six blocks to the east, is smaller, but seems mighty appealing for $5K. Until you “walk” the street. You know, even for $5K, ah, no:
    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/37-Zents-Ave-Youngstown-OH-44505/34841027_zpid/

  6. Paul W says: 471 comments

    I was using Cleveland as an statewide example, It applies to Cincinnati, Dayton and Youngstown and many cities statewide. There are simply more houses than people to buy them. In fact many people who buy houses like this are out of state “investor groups” who do not maintain them and are “hoping for future flips” and just add to the decay problem.

    I would never rely on Zillow estimates as a value on anything as they are totally off base. A good example we are selling house in my neighborhood through our save not raze program. Its a solid house, but needs restoration, and is priced at 24K. Zillow estimates its current value at 66K. No way would you get a real appraisal from an independent appraiser at any where near those Zillow estimates. That’s not to say that in some areas of the country, with strong real estate markets they are not close, but in cities like this most homeowners could only dream of getting what Zillow says their house is worth.

    The state of Ohio is giving away millions to city governments to remove blight and ‘rightsize’ their communities as part of a mortgage settlement that rightfully should, have gone to help people stay in their homes who were victims of bad mortgage practices. Statewide thousand of homes have been demoed under this program, In fact Cincinnati just wiped over 250 pre 1900 homes (many of which were restorable and would have benefited from stabilization not demo) and not have to go through the federally mandated section 106 review process when HUD monies are used. This particular house would likely need 150-200K to restore and bring up to code, unless everyone decided to go in and restore everything in site, and you could even get a loan to start with, this house is not likely to ever realize that value. Now preservationists do not restore houses to make money but you also can’t commit financial suicide to fix a house either and that is why homes like this are highly endangered and may not survive.

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  7. says: 237 comments

    The google photos are from June of 2011. A LOT can happen in three years. I am into my own home to the tune of $80k and I will NEVER see more than $15,000 for it. Those “estimates” are whack. The house next door to me had new windows and a new roof and they still knocked it down because it was vacant and an otherwise eyesore. Trust me, that is about $13,000 too much for that house. Sorry. And it IS a lot like Detroit here. In MANY ways.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/06/see-how-quickly-it-took-detroits-neighborhoods-to-change-in-then-and-now-photos-from-google-street-view/

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    • Ross says: 2480 comments

      Doreen,

      I agree that the before/after Google imagery link is stunning, and tragic.

      However, is it is possible to use the same before/after imagery for Detroit showing dramatic IMPROVEMENT.

      Sadly, the national media is more interested in ruin porn rather than revitalization.

      There is a lot of amazing who-would-have-believed-it-possible stuff happening in Detroit. Long empty skyscrapers are being renovated into housing, and the completed structures are fully rented ASAP. Abandoned houses were (and are) now being auctioned by the city, and with incredible results. The long empty and immense Packard Plant was purchased by a man with a remarkable history of renewal. And on and on.

      Yes, the city has MAJOR problems, and there are great swaths of the city I would not invest a dime in, but there are other areas I would not hesitate to move to, including downtown.

  8. Ross says: 2480 comments

    Dear Paul and Doreen,

    Above, I wrote that I was confused by the posted comments as they seemed to conflict with my “streetwalk” and real estate value estimates.

    Your additional comments help clear up most of the confusion. Thanks!

    And Paul, I wholly agree that governments (and banks) are usually the enemy, rather than friend, of renewal.

    In the early 1950s my parents tried to buy a triple-decker in Detroit. The 3-unit building was stunning, with gorgeous floors, stained-glass windows, and elegant woodwork. They planned to rent out the other two units, which would also pay the mortgage on all three units. In time, they hoped that their children would eventually occupy the other units — a family compound.

    But they could NOT get a mortgage, although the banks were only too happy to finance a new house in the suburbs. In the end, my parents had no choice but to migrate out of Detroit. I grew up in a VERY boring house in a VERY boring all-new neighborhood. When my grandfather would take me to downtown Detroit the place seemed better than Oz.

    What happened to my parents, of course, happened to millions of people. And the rest is a tragic, unnecessary history.

    Also, I will never get over the breathtaking waste of so many fine, restorable homes on a planet where the population is GROWING.

    Sigh. SIgh.

  9. John Shiflet says: 5441 comments

    I’ve ran across this house before on some blog or posting and from all accounts it appears to be “money pit” certified. Most old house buyers at least hope someday to recoup the money they’ve put into an old house but here that prospect is far from certain. Youngstown has had a bit of positive economic activity as of late even in its long ailing steel industry thanks to Oil/Gas shale exploration in eastern Ohio. Nearby Warren has some interesting late 19th century homes that sometimes sell for the proverbial song with the sellers singing the first verse for you. I agree with Ross that far too many great homes built with the finest materials and craftsmanship of their time are being wasted to neglect and abandonment. The incredible industrial growth of the late 19th century brought great prosperity to the industrialized American Midwest. With automation, out-sourcing to lower labor cost countries, and aging plants, the economic backbone of this wide region has been broken. Towns and cities have steadily depopulated as people are forced to move out of state to find jobs. Left behind is a great architectural legacy that will never be repeated-for those with the economic resources to sustainably live in the region, an amazing period home at an affordable price can be your reward.

    • Ross says: 2480 comments

      John, as you would agree, thanks to the miracle which is the Internet, the old rules do not necessarily apply anymore: that a community needs local jobs to support population.

      I have a thriving business which would NOT be possible if I depended on local sales. But thanks to the Internet, my buyers are from across the country.

      That I live in a tiny community (population 500) makes no difference in my finding a market. That ZERO jobs are available here makes no difference to my earning a good living.

      And I am hardly alone with this recent phenomenon.

      You wrote: “too many great homes built with the finest materials and craftsmanship of their time are being wasted to neglect and abandonment.”

      I agree. A billion percent. To me, this is a GREAT squandering of a national resource. We will never build houses like these agin. Why casually discard them?

      I am reminded of the great country houses in the UK and Scotland. For many decades they were routinely demolished, and without protest. At last, beginning in the 1970s, people woke up to this national heritage being thrown away. Today, such demolitions would be unthinkable (and illegal).

      I know the house in this thread cannot compare to, say, Chatsworth, but it is still worthy of preservation, IMO.

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  10. Doreen says: 237 comments

    My last 2-cents about this house (I promise!): There are many many nicer and less dilapidated houses in nicer areas than this one for a fraction of what it would cost to even get the mechanicals upgraded in this place. These are within 2-4 blocks of this house:

    http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/44504_zip

  11. Ross says: 2480 comments

    Doreen, I agree, there are many many nicer and less dilapidated house than this one, and for a fraction of what it would cost to even get the mechanicals upgraded in this place.

    However, I looked at all the houses under $100K….and liked this $17K house the best. By far. This house is actually quite beautiful and interesting, under all the decay. There is a LOT to like about this house.

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  12. Elaine says: 110 comments

    This is SO funny! I looked on this site earlier and was looking at a house, when someone was talking about Youngstown OH being in such bad shape. I immediately went to Trulia and looked up Youngstown, and found this very house. I looked at it and I was totally in tears for quite a while. What has HAPPENED to this country, and to all our beautiful homes? How can something like this be abandoned and allowed to get into this kind of shape? What happened to our cities and families? Something about this beautiful house totally touched me. These proud, beautiful homes! That beautiful woodwork on the staircase totally got to me. I think what makes me the sickest about this, is what these gorgeous places have been replaced with. Cheap matchstick plastic and particleboard coated in formaldehyde, and completed with plastic siding! No yards, no trees. No porches and swings and flowers. And charging $300,000 for them! Is it any wonder the construction industry is suffering so much? I’m in a city in Florida, population 100,000 plus. Here, we have NO old houses like this, as they have ALL been zoned commercial and turned into businesses. They no longer look like the beautiful homes they once were; they look hideous! They have lost the elegance and beauty they once had. They’ve made them look cheap and tawdry.

    I wish when I was younger I had been able to get a house like this to take care of and make beautiful again. I’m way past it now, and never made enough to be able to even buy a cheap one, let alone fix one up.

    Thank heavens I’m preaching to the choir here, and there are people who love these houses like I do!

    One thing I notice about this one, is that nobody painted it in hideous and/or dark colors, and they didn’t take out the chimneys. I hope someone buys this house and loves it the way it deserves!

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  13. Janna says: 2 comments

    I purchased a sad house in Xenia for less than this gem, and have not regretted it for a minute! The work will take years to complete on my budget, but I am restoring an early masterpice ( which has survived a few twisters) back to it’s well deserved glory. Not worried about resale value, just preserving & dignifying a tired home that had lost all hope. it was a bit chopped up, but neglected, luckily, so I have most of the original architecture & finishings. This home in Youngstown deserves a chance – please give it some consideration!
    Paul, where are you located – my bannisters and such were taken at some point, and will need replacing. . I believe the bank had started to strip my house before I purchased it. .

    • Paul W says: 471 comments

      Janna , if you email me ,victiques@gmail.com ,photos of what kind of balusters you need, I can see if I have any that match or if I know of anyone who might. Its usually not the bank that strips them but the ‘contractors’ they hire to do the weatherization and an boarding.

  14. Bill says: 1 comments

    My brother in law owned the house at239 N Heights from 82 until 85. My wife & I lived in the 3 rd floor apartment. At that time it was 3 separate apartments. It was a beautiful place then…all of the built it cabinets had leaded glass. We did find the original blue prints from 1904 when it was being built. It was called The Manchester Mansion. Our apartment was actually the servants quarters. Really sad to see the condition it is in today !

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    • JustUs says: 1 comments

      My sisters and I purchased this house in May intending to restore it, then found this blog.
      Bill any idea where the original plans maybe or who the architect was?

      Thanks

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  15. Qabbott says: 28 comments

    Were the blueprints saved anywhere. It would have been interesting to see. I wonder if it had a Porte-Cochere? Was there a Carriage House or Garage there at that time?

  16. Jeff says: 2 comments

    Doesn’t show anymore on Zillow, is it still for sale?

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