1854 Gothic Revival – Newburgh, NY

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196 Montgomery St, Newburgh, NY 12550

  • $325,000
  • 7 Bed
  • 3.5 Bath
  • 5837 Sq Ft
  • 0.36 Ac.
Maybe the MOST SIGNIFICANT architectural and HISTORIC treasure in the HUDSON VALLEY!Magnificent mansion,originally owned by WILLIAM E. WARREN, Treasurer of the Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad and Deputy Comptroller of NY City. Designed by one of Andrew J. Downing's (The Father of American Landscape Architecture) "pupils"- Calvert Vaux( famous "Design No. 14"). Panoramic Hudson River vistas, excellent location. House is neighboring equally illustre group of homes and it is placed on National Register of Historic Places (potential tax credits).Showings by appointment only

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35 Comments on 1854 Gothic Revival – Newburgh, NY

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  1. Karen says: 73 comments

    This house is awesome! This Mississippi girl would even consider moving all the way up there to New York and learn to live with the cold weather for this house. Even the somewhat high price is not bad. But those taxes are RIDICULOUS!! How in the world do people afford to live in NY???

    • Robt. W.Robt. W. says: 359 comments

      Really ridiculous taxes. That’s 7.4% of the asking price. By comparison, if, say, the entire asking price were financed through a 30-year mortgage, the annual mortgage payment of (around 6.8% of the $325K) could easily be less than the annual taxes.

      If Newburgh enjoyed Rhinebeck levels of prosperity –at Newburgh prices– 7.4% would still be extortionate. Here’s a house in Rhinebeck for 3x the price, but only $9800 a year in taxes — 1% of the asking price (at the same rate of the Newburgh house, taxes would $71K a year.) http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/31-Chestnut-St_Rhinebeck_NY_12572_M39321-10067?ex=NY539308093 Apples and oranges, maybe, but it shows how very high the taxes of the Newburgh place are.

    • Cassandra Winters says: 1 comments

      That’s funny. The somewhat “high” price. This is easy a two million dollar house and if it were anywhere else it would be priceless actually. The only reason it sold for that price is where it is located and it probably needs a ton of work. It is not only an incredibly famous house because of who built it but it sits on the banks of the Hudson. The taxes are ridiculous of course. Newburgh is not cheap for taxes and that really astounds me considering that this is still considered a “welfare city” and has a long way to go. Much of Newburgh is a slum and has been since the 1960s and that is putting it plainly. I go every year for the Christmas house tour. I am an Architectural Historian and preservationist. I wanted to buy a house there a long time ago and just could not get the guts up to do it. I don’t regret it. I have to say. There really is no place like Newburgh though. Architecturally it is a gem.

  2. Yay! Newburgh!

    Karen, the city of Newburgh often calculates taxes based on the exterior condition of the house. In other words, the better looking your house, often the higher your taxes. Also, if the house has an apartment(s) the taxes go up as well. This one on of Newburgh’s gems, and it has been photographed, and painted many times. The historical society could also probably give you a wealth of information on the home

    • Karen says: 73 comments

      That is a strange way to assess property values. Is there any way to go about getting the taxes lowered? But, honestly, if they are starting at $24K a year, even dropping that cost a few thousand still seems out of this world to me. Our property taxes are SO LOW here. In my area, for 2600 sq ft, it is $1300. No, not $13K, but thirteen hundred, annually. The above 5000 sq ft house in my area would be less than 3 grand. Another reason to love the South–low housing and property taxes. And warm weather.

  3. Karen, not sure what much else could be done, but a few home owners have come to me with the same story. These homes were once owned/built by elite families….homes of this caliber anywhere in NY are owned by people who either rent out a million apartments inside, or can afford the taxes and upkeep. Some are owned by wealthy people who use them as weekend homes.

    More info here on Newburgh taxes: http://www.cityofnewburgh-ny.gov/assessor/index.htm

    Best,

    Cher

  4. Karen says: 73 comments

    This house is a “Gothic-lover’s” dream! I wish it was further south. Does anyone know of such a Gothic beauty in the south?

  5. Ted says: 7 comments

    Beautiful house and beautiful location, though the taxes are crazy!!! With only a third of an acre and a house that requires significant work, there is no way in heck these taxes are even remotely reasonable. Maybe the streets are paved with gold and all the children in the town go to ivy league schools for free? High taxes can destroy historic homes like this.

  6. scott says: 58 comments

    NY isn’t cheap but if you look around farther upstate it gets more reasonable. We live about 12 miles south of Lake Ontario and for a 2975 sq ft 1880 stick vic, on almost 1 acre with an inground pool in a small village of about 3500 and we pay about 3200 a year. I do have a slight reduction from being in the military and when i turn 65 i can get more of a reduction but otherwise it isn’t cheap.

  7. Karen says: 73 comments

    I think any home over 100 years old should be tax exempt, so the owners can keep investing in the upkeep of our America historical homes.

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  8. Pam says: 36 comments

    stunning!

  9. Robt. W. says: 359 comments

    Terrific house. It’s only failing is that of many Gothic Revival houses: that the interior, nice as it is, isn’t Gothic Revival in concert with the exterior.

    • Karen says: 73 comments

      Robt. W.—would you consider the interior of this house……Eastlake??

      • Robt. W.Robt. W. says: 359 comments

        Karen – I see what you mean, in the Electric Pink Room: the Eastlake pier glass built into place and extended left and right (and maybe over some of the other door and window openings?) as a sort of valance. I’d say that was added 20 years or so after the house was built – just kind of overlaid atop what was there.

        A couple photos down, there’s another one, this one with an elaborate and brightly painted cornice. It shows, I assume, an overmantle mirror in an Eastlake style (or a Modern Gothic a/k/a Reformed Gothic substyle.) Again, I’d think an 1870s redecorating campaign that concentrated on a couple of rooms.

        (Eastlake style usually refers to furniture and decorative arts — interior aspects — which its companion architectural style is usually considered to be Queen Anne. A Queen Anne house might have interior details in an Eastlake taste…but not always.)

        The original marble chimneypieces in the house are usually referred to as Rococo Revival, even if some are more florid than others. A lot of mid-19thC Gothic Revival on the outside houses have elements of Rococo Revival or Greek Revival inside; many, it seems, have very little in the way of Gothic inside, and they were often furnished in 90% “Grecian” classical furniture and maybe 10% in a Gothic or Romantic taste.

  10. says: 472 comments

    Wow, the price has come down on this one…a lot! Years ago they had it listed for something like 400 grand, and when it didn’t get any bites, they roughly doubled the asking price. The house did get more attention after that, so good for them. This current price is a lot more realistic, though, and I salute any brave souls who take the plunge and move into the heart of the City of Newburgh, with it’s crazy crime stats and corrupt politics. If enough good people keep moving in, maybe it’ll finally turn round. Someday. Personally I wouldn’t want to live anywhere south of Balmville at this point in time.

    Calvert Vaux would not have approved of the colors used on this home today (interior or exterior), but it really makes a statement. I myself do not approve (not that anyone should care what I think) of the fact that the deep piazza that stretches across the river side of the house has been closed in and made into modern rooms. That piazza, with the balcony above it, was a very important part of the architecture. Vaux himself said he expected that piazza to be the main living space during warmer weather (paraphrasing). Now that space looks and feels foreign to the house, AND it limits the view from the parlors. The original floor plan was unusual, but I really liked the idea of having the twin parlors on the main floor, while the kitchen and dining room were located on the lower level. It made going to to the formal dining room for a meal a little more of a ceremony. Plus, now there’s no riverview piazza, so there’s that.

    Lastly, I’m sorry to the current owners of this house for happened last time I was there. There was a Christmas house tour going on (many years ago now) and the crowd got kinda rowdy and started pushing the slowpokes. Some big fat woman leaned on me on the stairs, and I kind of fell into another gentleman who was in turn pushed back against the stair railing, which literally broke off under the pressure. He was holding the broken bannister railing in his hand and looking like UH OH!!! The guy obviously felt terrible, as did I, but the crowd kept pushing, so we just replaced it as best we could and kept moving. I think it’d probably been broken before, and we just re-slpit an old repair when we got pushed into it, since it broke off so cleanly. At least I hope so! Still…sorry about that!
    🙂

  11. Jim says: 5037 comments

    Newburgh has many wonderful old houses, but the high taxes aren’t the most daunting part of living there. An abandoned downtown area and one of the worst crime rates in the region are far worse. This house a few miles north or south would be at least twice the price.

    • Vicki says: 52 comments

      Jim, that’s what I was thinking. Bring this one up to Rhinebeck, where my weekend house is, and you could put a 1 in front of that price and it wouldn’t be out of place. Especially on the river??! Actually I take that back — this house in Rhinebeck or Hyde Park or Red Hook or Tivoli, along the river — put a 2 in front of that price.

      And yes, taxes are INSANE. I’m paying a bit over $20k a year, for house and 25 acres. But nowhere near the Hudson.

  12. says: 472 comments

    “This house is a “Gothic-lover’s” dream! I wish it was further south. Does anyone know of such a Gothic beauty in the south?”

    The architect of this house, Calvert Vaux, only designed one home in the south. It’s known as “Ammadelle” and is located in Oxford, Mississippi. Its HABS/HAER page is below, and as you will see, it’s a beauty but is more Italianate in style than Gothic Revival:

    http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=hhphoto&fileName=ms/ms0200/ms0262/photos/browse.db&action=browse&recNum=0&title2=Ammadelle,%20637%20North%20Lamar%20Boulevard,%20Oxford,%20Lafayette,%20MS&displayType=1&itemLink=D?hh:14:./temp/~ammem_Uw71::

    As far as Gothic houses in the south, my second favorite American Gothic Revival house is located in Powhatan, Virginia. It’s known as “Belmead” and was originally designed by Alexander Jackson Davis in the 1840s. Unfortunately the house is in sad shape and has already lost a lot of details. Also, its currently on the National Trust’s list of the top ten most endangered historical sites, so there’s a chance that it may not be around for too much longer. Here’s a page about that property:

    http://www.discoverbelmead.com/historic-belmead.htm

    …and an old pic showing what the plantation house looked like when the original owners still lived there:

    http://collections.richmondhistorycenter.com/getimg.php?wm=no&loc=D%3A%2Fimages%2FIMG_1945%5C&fn=I_V_45_47_416.jpg

  13. I will not deny that Newburgh has it’s share of problems, but there is definitely a lot going on to get Newburgh in the right direction. Just google “Newburgh Brewery” and, there are a lot of people restoring homes. For a sample just check this out: http://newburghrestoration.com/category/before-and-after/

    • Jim says: 5037 comments

      Cher, I think what your group is doing in Newburgh is terrific and your site and this discussion prove that things are improving. In the last 25 years, it’s gone from being a place to totally avoid to one where interesting things are happening that people are starting to take a look at. Bravo.

      • Annette says: 11 comments

        I totally agree with Jim, I’ve seen the progress having lived here for almost 30 years. it is indeed improving.

        • Thank you so much Jim. Your kind words are much appreciated 🙂 Thanks for your input too Annette.

          The waterfront was a dump not too long ago. And look and it now, restaurants, lofts, film center, playhouse, brewery, now the focus has just got to be on how to move the progress west of the waterfront up Broadway. I think the next 5 years is going to be interesting.

          • Vicki says: 52 comments

            Cher,
            Is Newburgh being built up like Poughkeepsie’s waterfront? Is the new pedestrian bridge over the Hudson having any influence on your area?
            All good news for these old river towns…

            • Vicki,

              The walkway has had a positive impact in the sense that there have been boat tours that take off from Newburgh and then head up to Poughkeepsie for some events. Also, there is a boat that seems to run regularly to take you back and forth to both riverfronts in just 20 minutes.

              http://www.shadowsone.com/

              The riverfront in Newburgh is packed on some weekends-especially during warm weather, all the parking is taken up 🙂

              • Vicki says: 52 comments

                Excellent! Friends in LaGrangeville have been telling us about a restaurant on the Newburgh riverfront… When we’re back in the area next year, we’ll have to check it out……

  14. prytania21 says: 6 comments

    The bathroom tub and sink surrounds….perfection. *sigh*

  15. By the way, for those of you who love the home and think the taxes are high, check out the home right next door that is of similar, that has sold. No clue who bought it though:

    http://newburghrestoration.com/2011/09/newburgh-real-estate-192-montgomery-street-2/

    • says: 472 comments

      Oh, I had noticed that place was off the market. I’m so glad somebody bought it. The listing made me wonder, though, how would one access that old carriage house in the back? Would the city let you put in a driveway from Montgomery Street?

  16. says: 472 comments

    If you like this house but can’t quite afford it, you could always bid on this eBay item instead:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUGE-Heritige-Hall-Serving-Meat-Platter-SUPERB-/260519430404

    For Newburgh fans, I found a couple of youtube videos with old shots of the city in its heyday:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Fj2ttwsfI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6yRE0oJDsI

  17. Ricardo Cantoral says: 15 comments

    Too bad such a lovely home is in Newburgh. Trust me, I am familiar with the area.

  18. Juice Headquarters says: 1 comments

    Newburgh is back on the rise!

    • karitee says: 1 comments

      Newburgh is a hidden jewel waiting to be discovered….
      On some level I am glad people don’t realize this because gentrification is not necessarily a good thing….

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