1846 Italianate – Whitehall, NY

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40 Williams St, Whitehall, NY 12887

  • $39,000
  • 4 Bed
  • 2 Bath
  • 3484 Sq Ft
  • 0.38 Ac.
Grandiose, circa 1846 Victorian Brick Masterpiece. Endless period features. Magnificent open staircase, ornately detailed ceilings, decorative slate fireplace, elaborate craftsmanship, inside and out. House is livable, needs to be brought back to its original splendor!

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18 Comments on 1846 Italianate – Whitehall, NY

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  1. Tracy says: 93 comments

    If these houses get any cheaper, well, I don’t know what I will do. What a house for the price…

  2. John Shiflet says: 5478 comments

    The construction date seems a couple of decades too early but its always possible an 1840’s house was remodeled in the late 1860’s to early 1870’s. Property taxes for this one are a killer. (!) New York state has so many wonderful old homes with many in the fixer upper category but those property taxes are a serious impediment for would-be restorers to come there. A former New Yorker friend of mine tells me that the rest of New York state subsidizes the high infrastructural costs of New York City.

    • Ryan says: 472 comments

      How come you think this house is not from the late 1840s, John?

      Whitehall is dirt cheap. This house has been on my radar for about five years now…marked down to 75 grand still hasn’t sold.
      http://www.5schoolst.com/

      • Kenny says: 82 comments

        Nice house Ryan. The stair and entry foyer make the house. Looks like it may need a little work though. What would it take for your to make an offer? The taxes and depressed local ecnonomy make it difficult for me to come up with a number. Probably south of $50K.

        • Ryan says: 472 comments

          Yeah, the economy would prevent me from really moving there, probably. If I happened to get a high paying job nearby, I could live well in that area – better than I do in the Hudson Valley – but it’d take a lot for me to actually go back that far upstate. In my 20s I lived directly on Lake Ontario. Crazy winter weather didn’t bother me then, but at this age I would never want to put up constantly bitter cold weather and snowstorms that can drop ten feet of snow at a clip.

          • Kenny says: 82 comments

            Are you familiar with the Wyckoff Villa on Carleton Island?

            • Ryan says: 472 comments

              Is that the awesome castle-like place (that originally had half-timbering & a big tower) that’s now just an empty shell? I think Kelly might have posted that one on her old blog.

              • Kenny says: 82 comments

                Thats the one. I have studied it and it is too far gone for restoration. What a shame though. It is still for sale at $500K which will never happen. It is now in the process of falling down.

      • John Shiflet says: 5478 comments

        “How come you think this house is not from the late 1840s, John?”

        The details all indicate a late 1860’s to 1870’s date. The newel post with the octagonal inset burl panels was not seen before the 1860’s. The mantel with the arched opening and ornate grill is classic Italianate and would not have been seen in the 1840’s. The double door entry with the arched transom are also a classic 1860’s-1870’s Italianate style details. The segmented arched Italianate window caps are also identical to those seen in the 1860’s and 1870’s. The 1840’s were the very beginning of Italianate style homes in the U.S. Brackets on early Italianates from the 1840’s tended to be huge and many early Italianates featured residual details from the Greek Revival style such as entries with sidelights and transom. I see none of the early (1840’s) Italianate details in this house. Having said that, could an 1840’s house been extensively remodeled 25 or so years later? That’s certainly a possibility. That Queen Anne style house in White Hall is very nice with great interior details.

        • Ryan says: 472 comments

          I dunno, John. I would have probably guessed a slightly later date for this house too – simply because of the roof and possibly the front doorway, but it’s really hard to say as some earlier houses by Calvert Vaux, et al, had similar doorways. The first purely Italianate houses in the U.S. were built in the 1830s. Some of the early “Tuscan” examples did have the wider overhangs and huge brackets, but not all Italiantes had those. Upjohn’s 1845 King Villa in Newport, RI has smaller, simpler brackets spaced very close together. Some of the Italianates featured in A.J. Downings 1842 book had smaller brackets too. Plus, if you look closely, these brackets ARE pretty darn big! Also, I’ve seen newel posts very much like this that date much earlier than the 1860s, and the round-arched marble fireplace mantels and their cast iron fireboxes were quite commonly used in the Northeast by the late 1840s. If you go to HABS/HAER and search “mantel” with a random year from the 1840s, you’ll find tons of original mantels like these. The window caps do seem to hint of a later date, though, especially if they were pre-cast or whatever. I’m just not sure.

    • Jim says: 5038 comments

      The County site has the Full Market Assessed Value at $158,000, with separate assessments for County Tax, Town Tax, Village Tax, and School Tax!

      John, very little of the property taxes in New York go to the State to be redistributed. The property taxes go almost entirely to local schools and services. New York also has high Income Tax and Sales Tax, much of which does get sucked into NYC. It’s an ancient argument in New York as to whether Upstate supports the City, or the City services the rest of the state. It’s clear that politicians statewide are pissing away the public money without conscience.

  3. Bob H says: 79 comments

    Whitehall is a great old town at the foot of Lake Champlain. Unfortunately the Lake flooded the town in 2010 or ’11. They got way too much rain up there and it made a mess in the town.

    We used to go through there every year on our boat. Boating is too expensive a hobby any more I guess.

  4. Lcm says: 3 comments

    The pictures do not do this house justice! The features are phenomenal and it needs less talc that you would think. I know because I am in the process of buying it. High taxes and all.

  5. Lcm says: 3 comments

    Me, too! Although my aunt has a turn of the century Victorian two streets away and she has been unable to get an adjustment. You pay three different taxes, county, village, and school.

    No matter what, I am looking forward to bringing a grand house back to life.

    • Matthew Oller says: 2 comments

      I am thinking of relocating. I like the water, and amtrak. What about other houses?
      So the taxes, and a non-existent economy are the sticking blocks?
      Best wishes for your project! Matt

      • Lcm says: 3 comments

        Lots of houses for sale, a couple of older ones just down the street.

        Check out Tyler realty in Whitehall.

        House is almost done with restoration…moving in soon!

  6. Matthew Oller says: 2 comments

    I’ll be up in a month; relocating. I will choose either the east , or west coast of lake champlain.
    I have an elderly mother, so I may opt for Saint albans,VT,.
    with a multi-family. But the architecture is what draws me. Well, I like the amtrak, and the water.
    THanks, for responding.
    matt

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