June 16, 2017: Link Exchange & Discussion

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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11467 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    I actually have one share. I’m not sure this house will be torn down and no interior photos but the exterior is gorgeous and hurts my heart for what future it may not have.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3755-Wieuca-Rd-NE-Atlanta-GA-30342/35928203_zpid/

    • Cathy F. says: 2113 comments

      What a beautiful house! Right up my alley. Wonder what the interior looks like?

    • Victoria says: 135 comments

      Very sad to see this house go. It will most likely be a tear down, development is blazing through metro Atlanta. We’re losing our old growth urban tree canopy because of it. Hope this one and the land is preserved.

    • Ross says: 2501 comments

      Kelly, your old house photo? I wonder if the house is in Europe?

      • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 853 comments
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        1901 Folk Victorian
        Chestatee, GA

        I don’t think so. It reminds me of houses in New England.

      • Mary V says: 8 comments

        I have so old photos of my husband’s Grandmother’s family in Nova Scotia. The old men all had those kind of beards, so maybe Canada.

        • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 853 comments
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          1901 Folk Victorian
          Chestatee, GA

          Yeah, I’d believe it could be there too.

        • RosewaterRosewater says: 5343 comments
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          1875 Italianate cottage
          Noblesville, IN

          That could be. I thought the same thing when I saw the old sea captain hanging out the window = somewhere coastal. My guess is The Netherlands owing to it’s seafaring culture, what might just be a dyke in the background, (first pic – left), the Flemish bond brick gable on a style of house typical for that time and place.

          Also – it’s a damn shame about the Atlanta house 🙁 . Freakin “Housewives” and their McMansions!

      • J. K. says: 5 comments

        Sure has the roof style of Nuremburg, Germany look to it.

        • cheryl plato says: 181 comments

          Are those pillows stacked in the windows? And it’s so interesting in many of these old house photos, the people in windows…. not something seen in many modern day pics.

    • Ross says: 2501 comments

      Kelly, the Atlanta house you link to?

      I can think of a variety ways the large lot could be built upon AND preserve what looks like a fabulous house. Rather than the house being a negative I can easily see it being a jewel-like centerpiece of a new development.

      Sadly though, few developers have any imagination.

      • BethanyBethany says: 3194 comments
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        1983 White elephant
        Escondido, CA

        In my hometown of Wheaton, IL, this was done back in the 80’s (just about the only positive historical thing ever done there). There is a very small development of high end homes that surround the center “jewel” of a turn-of-the-century 3 story mansion which I had the good fortune to peek inside of while trick-or-treating many many moons ago!

    • Lancaster John says: 670 comments

      Obviously the value is in the land (note high rise next door) but this home has me thinking “Driving Miss Daisy”. Hopefully someone with deep pockets will restore it.

    • Robertcn says: 62 comments

      Oh my Kelly, they can put quite a few large homes on that piece of land. Don’t have much hope for it, but maybe they’ll restore it and build a couple more houses around it. I hate to see another beautiful house in that area succumbed by the wrecking ball.

    • JJ says: 99 comments

      It sure isn’t being marketed as a potential restoration, is it? All talk about commercial usage, breaking into lots, etc. Some interior photos would encourage us Old House Dreamers, but that $2 million pricetag would definitely make it difficult to restore much if needed. I do hope it finds a new owner who will love and respect it.

    • Zoomey says: 499 comments

      How sad and unbelievable that such a lovely house is a teardown! What a loss! I wish there were interior photos. But of course the land is so valuable, so close to downtown. So much history and beauty lost.

    • Allison says: 5 comments

      My grandmothers house was just up the street from this house. Her house was torn down and 400 was built. This area is just gorgeous! Wish I had that kind of cash around… I would buy it and create an event center….

    • SueSue says: 1160 comments
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      1802 Cape
      ME

      Over two million dollars for a tear down. My goodness. I would just fix it up for goodness sake. So sad that such beautiful works of art get cast aside for a new McMansions. Perhaps someone will want to restore and appreciate it for it’s elegance.

  2. Laurie W. says: 1750 comments

    Oh, that’s so sad. It’s listed as “vacant land.” Gorgeous house & all the life in that greenery. I don’t see how that price could be practical unless it were developed — certainly makes it unlikely as a restoration project. What a shame, yet again!

    I like the house photo, Kelly — the pillows gave me such a chuckle. Mom, Dad, and Grandpa hangin’ out the windows add to the overall cheer. I’d say end of the 19th century, maybe, or very early 20th — judging from the unpaved road in front? No idea where — but the fieldstone ground floor & brick upper, plus the very steep roof angle, maybe some of the individual architecture, might indicate something to the experts around here. There’s a real story in this photo.

  3. Eric says: 370 comments

    Another home from St Joseph, MO. It’s a little plain on the outside but the interior has lots of original beautiful features.
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1022-N-20th-St_Saint-Joseph_MO_64501_M84233-32019#photo0

    • RosewaterRosewater says: 5343 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      Ooooh, too right Eric -thank you. I hadn’t seen that one. That front parlor fireplace is BUTTA! Sweet. A house full of beautiful wood; and a pretty great carriage house too: not to mention gravity steam heat! We old timer house fiends are well aware of St. Joe, and a few of us have even lived there. 😉

      St. Joe on OHD;
      https://www.oldhousedreams.com/?s=64501

      • Scott Cunningham says: 391 comments

        St Joe is the densest “old house” city I’ve ever been in. For whatever reason, the vast majority of its old homes still exist (albeit in rundown conditions for many of them). I actually considered putting in offers on two separate properties up on Hall St (near the famous Schuster Mansion). There are bargains galore in this interesting, if faded old town….

  4. Eric says: 370 comments

    This is in the Hyde Park neighborhood of Kansas City. These 2 homes are in an exclusive cul-de-sac of HP called Janssen Place where the lumber barons and successful businessmen of Kansas City lived.
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/66-Janssen-Pl_Kansas-City_MO_64109_M82905-50594#photo0
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/96-Janssen-Pl_Kansas-City_MO_64109_M79023-33417

  5. Eric says: 370 comments

    I looked at this home when it was for sale in the late 1980’s. It was offered to me for $60K with full owner financing. Back then it still had it’s red tile roof instead of the ugly red composition roof. Tiffany lights in the dining room and most lights were still working gas/electric fixtures. Incredible “car wash” type shower in the master bathroom. Incredibly original but not in the best location.
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2821-Independence-Ave_Kansas-City_MO_64124_M74349-83861#photo0

  6. AndrewJC2 says: 18 comments

    The house reminds me of the original cottages that Bruce Price designed for Tuxedo Park, NY.

  7. Cathy F. says: 2113 comments

    Kelly – I like your leader/featured house this week! The eyebrow window, the rooflines, the pillars, the banks of windows, the balcony & front porch railings, etc. I do wonder about those pillows being put out to air, in that side window… a new one on me! And how come they’re in a downstairs window vs. upstairs, and if they will later be turned to air out their other ends. And why the people are all upstairs, peeking out?

    • Miss-Apple37 says: 1097 comments

      I don’t know about other European countries but it’s still a thing the French do, airing their bedding by the window, not the pillows but the duvets/quilts…

      As for the house, it sure has a European feel with the shutters, casement windows, etc…, but it seems to be more of a collection of different styles…

      I’m also wondering about the concrete porch/columns and especially the concrete structure all around the windows. It seems odd because there’s a rounded top made of brick and just below a flat concrete structure. Looks a bit off, like it was added later…

  8. Lindsay G says: 584 comments

    This 1881 shingle mansion in Newport RI is my favorite.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/80-Kay-St-Newport-RI-02840/66010686_zpid/

    stunning 1891 Queen Anne mansion located in Boise ID.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1109-E-Warm-Springs-Ave-Boise-ID-83712/79697937_zpid/

    Don’t let the outside of this 1885 home fool you. The interior has been kept pretty much the same after all these years.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/175-Vaughan-St-Portland-ME-04102/84949675_zpid/

    Another fool-hardy home located in St. Augustine FL. The outside siding conceals beautiful 1800’s woodwork decorated throughout the home.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/36-Carrera-St-Saint-Augustine-FL-32084/47776958_zpid/

    Another late 1800’s St. Augustine home. I think I’m more smitten with the outside than the inside of this one though!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/15-Bridge-St-St-Augustine-FL-32084/2113603332_zpid/

    And one more late 1800’s queen anne victorian.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/55-Union-Ave-Saratoga-Springs-NY-12866/2131647212_zpid/

    • Cathy F. says: 2113 comments

      Lindsay – I often like the houses you post; no exception here. I like the first four, and esp. the first three. And most esp. the second & third houses, despite the unfortunate exterior of the one in Portland, ME.

    • Gail M. says: 148 comments

      The Portland, Maine house? Exceptional. I’ll take it!

    • CharlestonJohn says: 1014 comments

      A Shingle style mansion in Newport is always a dream, and this one doesn’t disappoint. The house you posted in Boise is really special, though. The roof has a Châteauesque influence giving this Queen Anne mansion a decided French flavor. The interior wood is beautiful, and it’s got a naturally heated pool. What else could you ask for?

    • MajolicaDavid says: 51 comments

      Lindsay, The Queen Anne in Boise is to die for. I am in total lust. Thanks a lot! Lol

    • SueSue says: 1160 comments
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      1802 Cape
      ME

      Lindsey, Portland Maine is a wonderful city. My husband and I adore it. We live about an hour north. Amazing restaurants galore, the harbor, islands, the ballet and opera, festivals, cobblestone streets and brick sidewalks, shopping, specialty food markets, Whole food and trader joes…Its very, very lovely but expensive. This is a fabulous house. You are right, the outside does not speak of what awaits you inside.

      My favorite is the 15 Bridge St house in St. Augustine. It is very romantic and dramatic. A combination I am drawn too. You can just hear the cicadas singing.

      However, the Boise house, which I remember from another posting is certainly breathtaking. So many lovely homes!!!

  9. Coqu says: 263 comments

    The featured home looks Dutch. Maybe somewhere in NY?

  10. Ricky Ramos says: 1 comments

    For Sale. $485,000. 5 bedroom, 2.5 baths Georgian mansion built in 1906: magnificent woodwork, grand entry & staircase, stained glass, 2 ponds with waterfalls, library lined with glass bookcases, 4 fireplaces, pocket doors, maple floors,3rd floor dance studio & playroom, fully fenced backyard, 4-car parking with carport, adjacent to creek nature park, space for home business. Electrical and mechanical systems have been updated including gas heating and central air conditioning.

    See pictures here: http://www.tourfactory.com/1762581

    • Lancaster John says: 670 comments

      I’ve admired this house for a long while — beyond my budget when it sold about 12 years ago. Also Annville is a nice small college town, relatively easy commute for Harrisburg and Lancaster and ideal for people from Philly or New Jersey who might want to retire somewhere nice but still be within a reasonable 2-3 hour drive of where they’re from.

  11. Victoria says: 135 comments

    Is this faux brutalist, ranch or mid century modern style? Built in 1975 in Atlanta’s Stone Mountain area, looks to be in pristine condition. https://www.zillow.com/savedhomes/for_sale/14546498_zpid/1_pnd/35.263561,-82.460633,32.301063,-85.932313_rect/7_zm/1_rs/1_fr/

  12. MsPrufrock says: 3 comments

    I’ve passed this house on a daily basis on my afternoon commute for years, so I was thrilled when it recently went on the market because I would finally be able to see the interior and more of the land. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1200-Old-Shadyside-Rd_Downingtown_PA_19335_M42044-98397

  13. Lancaster John says: 670 comments

    Pre-revolutionary large home in Chester, PA on close to an acre qualifies as a sort-of-estate in the Philadelphia region. Chester itself is what might be charitably called a “challenged” community, but this one is north of 95, near Widener University, and not far from the very pricey areas of Wallingford and Swarthmore. I think it’s a good deal at $279K for an interesting property. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/770-E-25th-St-Chester-PA-19013/2096268005_zpid/?fullpage=true

    • Demetra says: 9 comments

      Love the house you linked, but I think it isn’t the one you wanted to post.

      This seems like the house in your description:

      https://www.redfin.com/PA/Chester/770-E-25th-St-19013/home/110152811

      I live in the area and would be very hesitant to live that close to Chester. It has all of the problems of Baltimore and fewer people trying to fix it.

      • Joe says: 726 comments

        As a lifelong resident of Baltimore, I am always surprised by the sort of comment that you made. The problem is that you are painting it with such a broad negative brush without saying to which problems you are referring. After reading your post, I can honestly say that I neither know what Chester’s problems are, nor who are the people fixing problems in Baltimore. From my experience, larger population numbers do not equate with more or fewer people who are willing to put themselves on the line to effect positive change.
        I have not personally experienced any particular hardship from whatever problems that you may be referring to. There are certainly some neighborhoods that have troubling crime statistics, but Baltimore is generally a great place to live.

      • SueSue says: 1160 comments
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        1802 Cape
        ME

        My brother lives in Baltimore and my sister in law grew up there. Her father was a Baltimore police officer. My brother, sister in law and her father have a lot to say about Baltimore. It is a great city with lots to do but it’s crime rate is huge. Of the ten most dangerous cities in the U.S Baltimore is number seven. There are safe neighborhoods but they are outnumbered by the unsafe areas. Schools are a huge issue as well. The drug problem is so notorious that there was a Tumblr blog devoted just to that issue alone.
        Chester however was rated in 2016 one of the best suburbs to raise a family.

  14. ChrisICU says: 614 comments

    Shreveport LA seems to have a nice variety of styles.

    Here’s a 1920’s house with an elegant interior – looks professionally done. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/3315-Fairfield-Ave_Shreveport_LA_71104_M77312-42723#photo28

    This 60’s house has an interesting roofline. More period appropriate furnishings should make this place pop. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/439-Spring-Lake-Dr_Shreveport_LA_71106_M75298-08596#photo35

  15. says: 48 comments

    1900 Colonial Revival with unpainted woodwork on the first floor and a period kitchen: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/86-S-Main-St-Uxbridge-MA-01569/82167082_zpid/?fullpage=true

  16. Daughter of GeorgeDaughter of George says: 938 comments
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    1905 Neoclassic & 1937 Deco

    I really love the wrought-iron railing on Kelly’s vintage photo for the week. It looks very modern and fresh!

    The bedding being aired on the window sill reminds me of my first trip to Europe in the early 80s — all the down-filled duvets hanging outside the windows every morning in the little German villages! It seemed like a charming, old-fashioned custom, even then.

  17. CharlesB says: 475 comments

    Circa 1885 Eastlake Victorian in Portland, New York, in the heart of the Chautauqua County Grape Belt. The house has a view of Lake Erie, about a mile distant, and is surrounded by vineyards. Priced at $29,900. If any OHD reader buys it, I’ll volunteer to come by with my can-opener and help you remove the fake siding!

    http://app.chautauquacounty.com/hist_struct/Portland/6442Route20PortlandTheLPowellFarm.html

    https://ccbrmls.com/public/search/advanced/summary.asp?Listing_ID=1041636

  18. CharlesB says: 475 comments

    An 1825 Federal period masterpiece, located in Plymouth, PA, one of the original Connecticut settlements in the Wyoming Valley. The Henderson Gaylord ‘mansion house’ is one of only two Plymouth structures recorded in the Historic American Buildings Survey:

    https://www.loc.gov/item/pa0556/

    Plymouth today is known as the home of the International Kielbasa Festival. The house is priced at $39,900:

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/135-W-Main-St-Plymouth-PA-18651/53517459_zpid/

  19. Connie in Hartwood says: 13 comments

    I have a house to share this week. It belonged to a friend of mine, who passed away in 2015. Wonderful PA stone house that needs some love from a sensitive new owner. There is so much potential here. Looks weird to me to see it without the wonderful contents and collections that it once held. I admit that the current kitchen is incredibly small and cramped, and it’s one of the few things that I would figure a way to enlarge and completely redo.

    Somewhere in the overgrowth of the yard, I’ll bet there are still remnants of the roses that once grew there … collected from cemeteries and old house sites throughout the East, and traded with other rose friends. Many have been moved and now live in other gardens, but I know that there’s treasure to be found if the new owner is willing to look.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3674-Bleiler-Rd-Emmaus-PA-18049/9662312_zpid/

    • ThadaB says: 28 comments

      Connie, I am sorry for your loss. I love the stone exterior. I hope someone buys this who will restore it lovingly.

    • SueSue says: 1160 comments
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      1802 Cape
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      I am so sorry for you loss Connie. How I would love to spend hours in the overgrowth weeding and discovering. This is a lovely home.

  20. DianeEG says: 526 comments

    Bishop Hill Illinois was originally a Swedish religious commune. It is surrounded by beautiful farm land, between the Mississippi and Illinois Rivers (meaning about an hour from Peoria and the Quad Cities.) This private property in the historic district has been a private residence, an inn, and a commercial shop. All have respected the historical significance of the building.
    https://www.facebook.com/BishopHillAdministrationBuilding http://historicrealestate.preservationnation.org/viewlisting.php?id=2982

  21. StevenFStevenF says: 892 comments
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    1969 Regency
    Nashville, TN

    I love the look of today’s mystery home. It looks very New Englandy.

    My submission today is a 1920s-30s Tudor that looks like someone started to rehab and ran out of money or interest. Great original details and a large yard. The kitchen looks original, though painted more recently. The price is decent, but taxes are high for a smallish city ($16,000/year to live in Springfield, IL). Sadly, no pictures of the bathrooms.

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1700-S-Wiggins-Ave_Leland-Grove_IL_62704_M88695-52794

  22. Beverly says: 1 comments

    Beautiful home in my neighborhood
    See what I found on #Zillow!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/334-Union-St-Milford-MI-48381/2094068827_zpid

    • Lindsay G says: 584 comments

      This home has been shown here before and it’s one of my favorites! That tower is swoon-worthy! And I love the old-fashioned red colored windows in the front door, gives the entryway that old-timey feel!

  23. Cory Stumeier says: 17 comments

    I wish the pictures were better on this one. My family went on vacation here almost every year since I was one (I’m 52). We tried to keep going after my mom passed away but it wasn’t the same. We have wonderful memories of this place. What I love about it is that the lodge was built in 1926. You can actually walk in and picture what it was like. I honestly don’t think a lot has changed. It’s not a glamorous place. It’s casual. There is also an owner’s house and multiple other buildings. I have honestly gone out and bought lotto tickets “just in case” lol. One thing it is missing now is there was always a huge moose head above the piano. It just fit perfect. I was blessed to have the memory of actually getting to work here for a short time one summer.

    https://www.trulia.com/property/3215665451-2274-Highway-Kk-Cuba-MO-65453

    • BethanyBethany says: 3194 comments
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      1983 White elephant
      Escondido, CA

      My favorite “shares” are the ones where people have a personal connection with the house. What a really really neat property! Thanks for sharing!

  24. CocoaG says: 71 comments

    1928 Waterfront Italian Villa located in Saint Petersburg, Florida. Once the winter estate of Babe Ruth.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/211-Sunset-Dr-N-Saint-Petersburg-FL-33710/47124631_zpid/

  25. peeweebcpeeweebc says: 1011 comments
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    1885 Italianate.
    MI

    19th century mansion in Newport RI. If you like sparkle and glitter this should fit the bill. Oh, and size matters!
    http://www.christiesrealestate.com/eng/sales/detail/170-l-78184-f1704150440700003/459-bellevue-av-newport-rhode-island-newport-ri-02840

  26. robinjn says: 249 comments

    I have one! I love this home in Columbia, MO. I’m sure whoever comes in will paint or rip out all the paneling and replace the rock fireplace, but I would make it into a 1960s showpiece. Look at that massive fireplace! It has all the wrong style of grate around it but could be SO cool. Columbia is a progressive, eclectic, college town with a dynamic and thriving downtown area and lots to do both indoors and out.

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/900-Colgate_Columbia_MO_65203_M72069-68416

    Now this next house, I have been in. It’s been almost continually on the market since 2014; I looked at it before deciding on the house I purchased. I don’t know why it hasn’t sold. It’s lovely and has been tastefully updated. On a corner lot within walking distance of towntown, along Columbia’s most prestigious street, West Broadway. There is a lot of traffic out front at certain times of day. It’s really surprising that it has not sold, we have a fast market here. But I saw no signs of big problems with the home.

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/400-W-Broadway_Columbia_MO_65203_M75067-08358

    This third one is also on West Broadway, a few houses down from the one above. On a huge lot.

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/700-W-Broadway_Columbia_MO_65203_M70985-35193#photo45

  27. Ed Ferris says: 311 comments

    Was it Pabst? I don’t think it was Miller.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2374-N-6th-St-Milwaukee-WI-53212/40456287_zpid/
    $69K
    Fifteen bedrooms. My guess is a private school, with iron window grilles to keep the kids off the streets. Windows boarded up, but it’s lived in.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/211-211A-N-Ludington-St-Columbus-WI-53925/2094646598_zpid/
    $155K
    Take at look at the tower cantilevered above a balcony. Well, it does have one turned post supporting it.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/316-N-Main-St-Marion-WI-54950/2096582870_zpid/
    $50K
    A mill and grain elevator. Would make a great B&B according to the listing.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2303-W-Galena-St-Milwaukee-WI-53205/2094638115_zpid/
    $89K

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3002-W-Mckinley-Blvd-Milwaukee-WI-53208/40467401_zpid/
    $70K
    A Stately Brick Mansion with no interior pics.

  28. cheryl plato says: 181 comments

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1655-S-Main-St_Bechtelsville_PA_19505_M31612-36958#photo0 1790 in Berks County PA little cluttered and rough but many original elements, hard to find a 1700s home in this area for this price

  29. cheryl plato says: 181 comments

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/813-Richard-St_Henry_IL_61537_M75606-25113#photo0 This old beauty in Henry Illinois is full of so much craftmanship seems a great deal too.

  30. cheryl plato says: 181 comments

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/548-Monocacy-Creek-Rd_Birdsboro_PA_19508_M46894-79298#photo0 1798 in Birdsboro in a lovely setting, love the old stone PA homes

  31. S. Owen says: 13 comments

    I have two fairly sizable houses that just went up for sale in my town, one sits on alot of land inside town and another is a turn key bed and breakfast.
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/408-Western-Ave_Maquoketa_IA_52060_M75564-17607#photo8

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/418-W-Pleasant-St_Maquoketa_IA_52060_M78702-58842

  32. Joe says: 726 comments

    When a listing said gleaming mahogany floors since last weekend, I posted some information that people responded to about woods and flooring. I copied it to word, edited, and rewrote it. I am putting it here because the replies to my post were enthusiastic and I think that there are those who don’t see the new posts during the week. If you read the last one, I hope that you read and enjoy this revised edition.

    There was a new listing posted 6/13/2017 on OHD, 1939 – Rocky River, OH, $439,900, that listed “gleaming mahogany floors”, so I posted about it. I copied that post to Word. This is an edited version to which I have added information for the link and exchange in hopes that I might help others to understand more about wood. I am writing from memory with information that I have come to understand over the years restoring furniture and repairing houses. I don’t even remember the sources of most of this stuff. I am not researching this, so if you know that I am incorrect on any of these points, please reply and show me my errors. I can research them, but if you have a source, please supply it, so I can be better informed myself.

    Mahogany is rarely used for floors for the very reason that it is so popular in furniture, paneling etc. It is easy to shape and carve because it is relatively soft. As I understand it, mahogany is a hardwood.
    The meaning of hardwood is that it comes from a tree with leaves, called deciduous trees. The agents that list properties with pine floors are mistaken when they call them hardwood. Those calling artificial or engineered wood flooring as hardwood floors are misleading you completely, but the manufacturers are calling them that, so maybe the word’s meaning is changing or has changed.

    Softwoods are from trees with needles such as pine, spruce, etc., coniferous. Some softwoods are very soft, but there are others which aren’t. The hardest woods from any tree grew in old growth forests.
    We often see pine floors listed as hardwood floors, but they are not. Even though pine floors that one usually sees in the eastern United States are old growth pine which grew in a forest.They are quite hard.
    Some hardwoods are relatively soft.
    Today’s pine lumber is quick grown and not very strong. It will dent or scratch very easily. The reason is the way it is grown. The tree seedlings are planted in fields with spacing to allow plenty of sun, water and may even be fertilized. It grows quickly with wide rings. Imagine the wood as a bundle of drinking straws.
    Old growth wood has very tight thin rings on the trees. They grow slowly because they get very little sun and other resources in their early years due to the competition of the other trees in the forest. The wood from trees that grow an inch a year with tight rings have tiny little straws as opposed to those which grow a foot or more each year with wide rings would have big wide open straws.
    The old, or forest grown trees provide wood that lasts much longer that of the quick grown pine. That is why replacing tongue and groove pine porch flooring that has lasted fifty to one hundred years with new pine is not a good idea. The new porches rot within a few years when exposed to weather, even if painted, particularly on the ends. This is because the end grain’s open pores on quick grown wood with its wide rings is exposed to the most weather, and acts like a straw drinking in the water, bacteria etc. that rots wood.

    Another factor to consider is the way the wood has been cut. Plain sawn wood is cut from the log in parallel planes one after the other. The grain varies tremendously as rings are crossed. The big arches in the grain are where the wood is most likely to break down as well as being able to provide you with a load of splinters. A board is very easy to break where the grain crosses ot if there is a knot which is where a branch grew out of the tree.
    Quarter-sawn wood is cut perpendicular to the grain from the edge of the log straight through the center. To get this effect the logs were split into quarters and the boards were cut from the sides of these quarters. A mill would cut a board from one side of a quartered log and then the other continuing this alteration to get as many quarter-sawn board as possible from the log. The more perpendicular the cut is to the grain, the better the grain. Theoretically you get the best quarter-sawn grain from cuts that go precisely through the center of the log. This grain is usually very straight and even, and it runs in parallel lines from one end of a board to another. Some quarter-sawn wood has a special beauty that no other wood from that tree could have. For example, quarter-sawn oak has these rays of oak, which cross the grain to spectacular effect. There are sites on line with pictures and drawings, which might explain this better.
    I hope this information has been useful to you.

    • JimHJimH says: 4750 comments
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      Joe, that’s a good post on wood. I’d like to add a bit on the terminology used for various types of wood. Terms like pine, oak, and mahogany are generic terms that can describe different species of wood, and have changed over the years.
      As you mention, the yellow pine of today is softer and inferior to the pine used before WW2. Sometimes called “old-growth pine”, it was a different species altogether, long leaf pine. When the vast southern pine forests were first harvested by clear cut, the long leaf was predominant. The large trees went for lumber, the smaller trees and yellow pine were cut up for fuel. The good lumber had different grades based on where it was cut from the logs. The softer outer wood was used for non-structural parts like siding and sheathing. The central part of the log, called “heart pine”, was quite hard and strong and was used for beams, posts, and floors. There are 250 year old heart pine floors that have survived that are as solid as they were new.
      The quality and variety of wood available to builders and craftsman 120 years ago would astound folks today. There were “mahogany” and other exotic woods from all over the world available for furniture and upscale projects that wouldn’t be affordable today. The true mahogany of Latin America is rare and expensive now and different species from Asia and Africa have been sold as mahogany for a long time.

      • Joe says: 726 comments

        That is a good addition, JimH, to what I wrote. For the record, the most desirable mahogany for furniture was the island mahogany of the Caribbean of which there are two varieties. There is the big leaf and little leaf. I can’t remember which one was the better, but that was clear cut and some invasive insect started to blight the young trees. These two species have been crossed, and it surprised me to read from one source that the results are either one type or the other. I was not as surprised as my wife to read that it had been introduced to Puerto Rico years ago. She doesn’t believe it as a native, because it is prized there as a native wood. I have read it in only one source, so don’t really know what the truth is.
        There was a group of monks who started a plantation of it on Palau many years ago, which grows this wood free of the blight. The wood is available, but as you said is very expensive. It also does not have the characteristics of old growth wood. When I was young, the old timers scoffed at the idea that Honduran and African mahogany are good woods, but it was what was available in the seventies and eighties. Now that is rarer and more expensive than it was.
        The variety of available woods for woodworking is mind boggling. There are more subspecies of oak than I can count just in the US, as well as many varieties of maple and other woods. There are small businesses all over the country that specialize in certain species or those with exotic grains that are amazing resources. They buy it by the tree and have it milled to order.
        One famous woodworker and teacher named Tage Frid wrote in one of his books something like, when you start with a piece of wood, you already have something that is naturally beautiful, try to end up with something that is more beautiful when you are finished.

        • DianeEG says: 526 comments

          And then, in addition to all this excellent wood information you’ve mentioned, there are the changes in the terms of measurements for wood sizes and cuts – another story. To those who love and value wood, just seeing a beautiful floor board, a desk front or other old hand fashioned piece is as exciting as finding an unrestored and non remodeled home on OHL. The urge to run a hand over it is strong. I have my great uncle’s carpenter tool box (about the size of a large floor-standing blanket box) and hand made carpenter tools from the early 1800s. Thanks for heading off into this world of wood trails this week – it’s been fun.

    • Tim says: 58 comments

      I don’t recollect ever having seen a solid mahogany floor, which is why your post caught my eye. I have seen laminate floors with mahogany veneer, and though I much prefer a solid wood floor, I understand that the laminate version is far more stable because it doesn’t shrink/expand as much as the solid wood version.

      Also, I have noticed a growing cottage industry of reclaimed old growth wood. My wood dealer down the street has several contacts that, among other things, specialize in removing as much reusable wood from a structure before demoing the remains. Though I’ve never purchased any of it, my understanding is that it’s far more expensive than the new cut varieties. The strength and quality of the reclaimed wood, however, far exceeds the new cut stock, and aesthetically speaking, it strikes me as far more beautiful.

      Thank you for this post. Although I’m an English professor, I’ve been an armchair hobbyist since my early teens, and reading your post was a pleasurable trip back to my beginnings.

      • Joe says: 726 comments

        Tim, The laminate floors that I have seen are actually photographs of mahogany on small pieces of easy to lay, floating floors that do look like mahogany. The problem is that they come in a short even length and width. Yes they are durable and easy to clean, however they are not wood floors. They can’t be refinished. I believe that the idea is that, by the time they are damaged, the owner who installed them will be long gone. If that is the case, a lifetime warranty means very little.
        I would also note that the expansion and contraction as well as cupping of floorboards occurs most in plain sawn wood. Quarter sawn floors are much more stable.
        It is sad that the marketing divisions of these products choose to create a negative view of the very characteristics that make real wood floors with long boards beautiful and unique. The trend toward all plastic America all of the time continues. I wish that I knew how to stop it.
        By the way, the reclaimed wood is great. A lot comes from the demolition of old buildings, but I understand that they are even reclaiming sinker logs in the great lakes and rivers, which were the avenues that whole trees minus their branches, were transported, floating them down our rivers and other bodies of water. These logs may be from virgin forest and have remained undamaged on the bottoms of these waterways for many many years. They have no nail holes and have been protected by being underwater from the oxygen which hastens decomposition.

        • Tim says: 58 comments

          Joe:
          You seem to be a bit (much) further into cabinetry/carpentry than I am.
          I’ve read about the sinker logs, and I’ve decided on a favorite: swamp cypress. I’ve never been able to find a quoted price per board/foot, though most of the sites I’ve visited have $500 minimum orders (my grandmother used to say, “If you have to ask how much it costs, you probably can’t afford it.”). On a professor’s salary that’s a bit pricy. I imagine if I ever come across any of it for a project, the old maxim, “measure twice; cut once,” simply won’t do. More like, measure twice on scrap wood, mock it up in scrap wood, practice-practice-practice, then build it again in cypress.

          I’ve seen indoor projects built in cypress, but I imagine something along the lines of outdoor seating, perhaps Adirondack chairs, something along those lines…something I could pass down to my nieces pretty much in the same condition decades later, as the day I completed the project.

          I’ve been looking into laying quarter-sawn white oak floors through the first floor of my house to replace the cheap laminate and carpet. The stock alone will cost between $4000 and $5000 for select grade, but I thoroughly agree that the longevity and stability of the wood will pay for itself in the end. I have a number of projects that will need to come first, but that is one that I’m looking forward to.

          • Joe says: 726 comments

            As a professional period furniture restorer for many years, I certainly learned a lot, I had to ask a lot of questions and thereby found a variety of resources for woods. If I had gone by your grandmother’s maxim. I would never have made some pretty terrific things. Quite often the relationships developed by engaging with the person that is giving me a quote, and asking what they thought, has brought up alternatives which made my project results better than I had originally envisioned. Creative people love to swap ideas. I prefer the maxim,”where there is a will, there’s a way.”

            I just got a ballpark quote yesterday for quarter sawn, random width, white oak flooring from my favorite wood place, Good Hope Hardwoods, http://www.goodhopehardwoods.com, which specializes in highly figured woods.They can mill flooring there to your specs. I was interested in determining the price for 650 square feet for the entire first floor of the house that I am rehabbing for my wife and me. You might enjoy perusing their web site. I have found in the past that if you call Skip and tell him what you are looking for, he can make it work. I don’t remember any minimum order amounts, and found their shipping charges to be reasonable.

  33. JeSouth says: 38 comments

    Check out this beautiful 1896 lighthouse on Lake Ontario.
    http://historiclighthouseforsale.com/index.htm

  34. ChrisICU says: 614 comments

    Despite being mid-century, this house has a very old-house feel. Nice southern stone cabin. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/21-Tynecastle-Dr_Banner-Elk_NC_28604_M57622-84732

  35. Keith Rowell says: 31 comments

    Victorian in Georgia / Eatonton Historic District / Plaza Historic Neighborhood /

    zillow
    https://goo.gl/sjv7FE

    weebly
    http://ezellhouse01.weebly.com/

    Google Maps
    https://goo.gl/28SbMT

  36. JimHJimH says: 4750 comments
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    This house in Barrytown NY is a Dutch Colonial Revival with Arts and Crafts touches built around 1910 – as an update to an 1840 home, it says. (It reminds me a little of Kelly’s posted house.) Besides a few updates, I love everything about it. There’s a 1921 article linked in the listing with old photos.
    Within a short walk are the Edgewater, Rokeby and Montgomery Place estates on the Hudson. Beautiful house and area, but pricey.
    http://garydimauro.com/listing/birchwood/

  37. KGro says: 2 comments

    Found this one looking for places in upstate ny.
    20 Riverview Cir, Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
    http://www.berkshirehathawayhs.com/Hudson-Valley-Properties-NY301/homes-for-sale/20-Riverview-Circle-Poughkeepsie-NY-12601-201926336
    My guess is the last time it was updated was the 1980’s.

  38. SueSue says: 1160 comments
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    1802 Cape
    ME

    This magical Saltbox and property is the John Burnham house and farm. (once a 300 acre farm) It was built in 1684 and is exquisitely preserved and restored and sits directly on the shore of Chebacco Lake.. “There are 16 rooms, with 9 working fireplaces, including a west wing ell, a stunning Georgian library addition and an attached, well-appointed 6 room cottage with separate entry. A luminous sunroom opens to the lake view patio and decks adjacent to inspired gardens that have formal elements as well as a more relaxed ‘tumble of wildflowers and perennials’. Stone walls, winding grassy paths, trellised rose gardens, raised beds, mature apple trees, ancient cranberry bogs, and a babbling brook grace the 9-acre parcel. Outbuildings include a substantial barn, a writer’s cottage, and a guest retreat.” http://www.57pondstreet.com/

  39. ChrisICU says: 614 comments

    Has this one been on here before? I love the old patina although I”d find some more appropriate light fixtures. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/76-Belvedere-Farm-Ln_Charles-Town_WV_25414_M31917-62840#photo20

    • JimHJimH says: 4750 comments
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      ChrisICU, thanks for the Charles Town WV. It’s always great to see a 200+ year old manor house in its pristine original setting on extensive acreage. The farm was created by Magnus Tate before the Revolution, the house was built by Magnus II in 1807 and doubled by Magnus III in 1824. Known as Belvedere Farm, on the NRHP:
      https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/NRIS/84003588

      The farm was 273 acres 50 years ago and the same family that’s owned it since is subdividing and selling what’s left separately – 123 acres sans house for $3.45 MM, with the old farm structures “tear-downs”. Or you can buy just the house on 2 acres and be surrounded by new development. I hate when that happens.
      http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/71-Belvedere-Farm-Ln_Charles-Town_WV_25414_M40962-44530

      • ChrisICU says: 614 comments

        Thanks for your update Jim. I know several people in the region who have sold their property to a conservancy and sold the house separately. This region is awash with infill McMansions on farmland. Hard to keep it in the family when land costs so much.

  40. ChriICU says: 614 comments

    Sometimes we see on OHD a listing for a house that’s to be moved. Here’s a listing for a house that was taken apart and put back together. What a nice job the did! http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/43-Palentown-Rd_Kerhonkson_NY_12446_M42864-23612#photo26

  41. says: 56 comments

    Such an interesting little house for only 39k!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/307-N-1st-St-Edina-MO-63537/124353733_zpid/

    The listing says this house needs a little sweat equity, but this house is absolutely amazing!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1936-S-33rd-St-Omaha-NE-68105/75871157_zpid/

    Two different houses on the same street have been shared on OHD. This one has been split into apartments, but managed to keep a lot of original character.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/708-W-Moss-Ave-Peoria-IL-61606/5156099_zpid/

    Pricier home due to being close to the University of Iowa, but the landscaping and deck are beautiful!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/747-W-Benton-St-Iowa-City-IA-52246/76760795_zpid/

    An old church with an attached home in small town Kansas.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/697-E-1725th-Rd-Baldwin-City-KS-66006/2093894050_zpid/

  42. Amy Merrill says: 2 comments

    This circa 1795 Stagecoach Inn and Tavern is currently for sale for only $180,000.

    http://nys.mlsmatrix.com/matrix/shared/L622p9F5Tg/6149SpringwaterRoad

    House features 4 fireplaces – 2 have original pot arms – Inn Dining Room has an ornate pot arm & the Inn Keepers quarters have a plain one. There is also the remnants of a beehive oven in the basement. Just under 6 acres with perennial gardens, a fruit orchard, creek with waterfall just outside the back door. Carriage house and attached workshop where there was “indoor” plumbing (an indoor outhouse). Very unique property that has been well-preserved with many original features.

  43. Joyce Perrin, Broker historic home owner says: 1 comments

    Beautiful Victorian — one of many in Union Springs Al for sale by estate at this time
    http://promiselandusa.net/listings-/204-s-powell-.html

    Surrounded by other historic homes central to Montgomery, Auburn/Opelika, Troy or Eufaula al

  44. ChrisICU says: 614 comments

    This house is special in several ways. First, the exterior was used as the location in the 1980’s comedy Designing Women. Side note: that style of home in Atlanta no longer exists. Second, the interiors! The staircase, woodwork, and parquetry are terrific. I’ve never seen the Japanese parquetry as flooring before. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1321-Scott-St_Little-Rock_AR_72202_M75733-42401

    • Joe says: 726 comments

      As a woodworker, the crazy quilt design of the parquet floor in the one room got wheels turning in my head. I suspect that the perimeter inlays were pre-assembled in a wood shop and sold in lengths. I surmise that the owner of the house being built may have seen all of the scrap pieces of these lengths and, rather than have them go to waste, asked the floor installer what he could do to use them. That floor could have been the result of such a request. I had always assumed that the parquet edges were assembled from each individual piece of wood in place before. I wonder if the catalogs of woodwork from that period, which some of the OHD house experts have cited from time to time, have sections on parquets that they have available. Experts?

  45. ChrisICU says: 614 comments

    Hi Joe, Thats one hypthesis. Another is that there is a very similar Japanese design that looks like this crazy quilt style. It was popular in small casegoods from that era. I have a small box that looks like this. The Japanese Aesthetic style was very popular in that era.

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