1900 Queen Anne – Camden, NY

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Camden, NY 13316

  • $105,000
  • 5 Bed
  • 4 Bath
  • 4747 Sq Ft
  • 0.42 Ac.
This historical stunning home is more than rare! This property has been placed on the National Register or Historic Places! Beautiful covered porch welcomes you as you take a step back in time! Gorgeous stained glass and gleaming hardwood floors. Open floor plan that is perfect for entertaining guests. Large walk up attic provides ample room for storage. Possible second apartment that could be rented out for extra income. Unlimited opportunities! Located close to amenities.

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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11932 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Thanks to Charles for sharing this on the forum!

    National Register has this as being built 1900 but the build date given is 1880, which seems like the 1880’s is more when this would have been built rather than 1900. There are links on Wiki to the NY State Office of Parks/etc. but I could not get the pages to load. If anyone was able, let us know if it says anything important.

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    • Debra Barr says: 1 comments

      It should be restored!!! Can a historical society not restore it????

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      • Betty Wyatt Price says: 1 comments

        Restoring it and turning it in to a Bed and Breakfast would be awesome!

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      • Ame Hale says: 3 comments

        What an awesome and unique home! All the possibilities are endless. If someone is lucky enough to own this gem, would you please put a site on facebook so we all can follow the progress. And be sure to add photos at Christmas as the decor could be awesome! Thanks.

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    • Margie Hastings says: 1 comments

      I have always loved this house and look at it every time I go by it (at least 6 times in a week) and I let my imagination flow! I have always wanted to walk through it just to see its interior, thanks so much for posting pictures, but I’d still love a walk through even though I can’t afford to purchase it. It would be awesome if you had an open house!!

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    • Cyndi Padgham says: 1 comments

      Hi Kelly – I would love to watch your restoration! Can you tell me where you will be posting pictures and info. I wanted to buy the house too! What a beauty! Good luck!!!! I can’t wait to see the treaures you uncover!!

      Thanks, Cyndi

  2. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11932 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    2014 taxes $3,946. $328/month.

    • Spirit says: 1 comments

      That’s all? I paid $5000.00 a year in Connecticut for a home that was almost exactly one quarter the size of this one..and that was 15 years ago.
      The only problem I can see with this would be the restoration. Registry homes usually come with a ton of guidelines as to what is allowable when restoring homes. Gorgeous though.

      • RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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        1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
        Emporia, KS

        Homes on the National Register do NOT come with a ton of guidelines as to what is allowable. Indeed, there are no guidelines controlling a property once it is on the National Register.

        My home is on the National Register. I can cover the whole with vinyl siding if I want, tear out the original windows and replace them with aluminum, and lop off a floor (or two) because the place is just too darn big!

        However, if my house was in a designated historic DISTRICT, I could never get away with any of these actions.

        NOTE: The city will allow me to reinstate my lost and very low porch railings because the house is recognized as historic. Otherwise, I would have to install those awful VERY HIGH railings which are now code, and which look ridiculous on a historic house. In short, owning a historic house has virtues.

        NOTE: Because my house is on the National Register, it recently qualified for a substantial grant. Again, there are virtues.

        • joelle says: 1 comments

          Where did you go to apply for the grant? How long does the process take?

          • Lisa says: 1 comments

            Although the federal government doesn’t place any restrictions on your renovations, your State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) and local government or authorities may have its own laws governing the changes you make to your designated home. The SHPO passes on your application paperwork to the National Park Services for listing on the National Register, so you don’t end up on the Register without your SHPO knowing about it, which means they have a say or two about how historic properties in the state are treated.

            • RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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              1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
              Emporia, KS

              Hi Lisa,

              I cannot speak for every state.

              Here in Kansas I can do whatever I want with my National Register home (following local codes, of course). If I want to cover the house in vinyl siding, and install cheap new windows, I can.

              But, as I stated above, if my home were in a historic DISTRICT, I would have to comply with the district rules.

              (NOTE: I am properly restoring my historic home and would not dream of installing vinyl siding or not restoring my wonderful 120-year-old windows. I am also all for historic districts.)

              • JimHJimH says: 5158 comments
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                Ross, you should make clear that an NRHP Historic District doesn’t come with restrictions from the Federal government. The Registry is just a program with outlines for local areas to follow if they choose to put them into law. Some towns have ordinances which control what you can do in a specific area which may not even be the same “district”, and the regulations vary widely from place to place.

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  3. karrie says: 234 comments

    Oh how I wish I could buy this place and make it look lit it did in its heyday. Or beam me pup scotty to this time and place when the house was new…. oh would have loved to seen it then…. wonder if there are any photos of the first family that lived in this house??? beauty that needs to be restored to its original glory….

  4. Melissa says: 238 comments

    The Nutcracker stained glass in the upstairs hallway would give me nightmares but that peacock! whoa!

    • RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      I suspect the peacock glass is original. The Nutcracker set is certainly not, and nor is the glass in the front door.

      • Joy says: 1 comments

        I would never have thought of Nutcracker stained glass, but I’d bet a Christmas tree would look great in there with them.

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  5. Lynn says: 74 comments

    This is my new absolute favorite house! This house is sooo perfect. It has every
    feature I love and could possibly want in a house. I just wish I wasn’t so far
    from it, poo poo. Praying for a miracle right now.

  6. RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    Kinda reminds me of my house. You know, a nice simple place, not too large, and needing almost no work…

    • CoraLee says: 2064 comments

      Ross, I just realized which house in Emporia is yours! I was in that house years ago when the owners were trying to rent out the third floor. They gave me a tour. This house DOES remind me a bit of yours! Beautiful.

    • RosewaterRosewater says: 6678 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      Hehehe. That’s what I was thinking Ross; almost as big / interesting / finely detailed / classy as your place: almost. That peacock in the keyhole window is just beyond gorgeous. The nutcrackers make no sense; but I like the owls even though they’re probably from the 70’s. Wish the agent had better featured all the great original art glass – almost as much as I wish you would put pix of all the amazing windows in your place in a gallery somewhere 😉

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  7. TracyTracy says: 93 comments

    Dat’s a lotta house for the money. An AMAZING place in a great neighborhood; there are other great, comparable houses all around it. I’m not a huge fan of some of the stained glass. Looks like someone recently attempted an “upgrade” there. I would be surprised if the nutcrackers are original to the house. (I’m suspicious of the owls as well.) As for the taxes, I could live with those; they’re less than what I pay now. (sigh)

    • Cyndy Boisfeuillet Carpentieri says: 1 comments

      I lived in a house very similar to this one, in Brockport, NY. These old Victorians are spectacular!! I wish I could afford this place.

    • JimHJimH says: 5158 comments
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      Tracy, unfortunately not all the houses in Camden are as well-preserved as this one. The Italianate 2 doors west was built for John G. Dorrance, the brother of this owner. It’s been badly altered by conversion to offices and apartments:
      http://www.oldhouses.com/cf/displaylisting.cfm?q_listingid=6066

      • lm says: 2 comments

        I didn’t know that the brick house 2 doors west of this house was a Dorrance house. Jim Dorrance built the house directly across the street from this house. It is well maintained. The house next door to the east was also a Dorrance house. It is well maintained. The house 2 doors to the east was also a Dorrance house and is well maintained. Church Street was quite the Dorrance compound!

  8. RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    Impressive street view. The house is surrounded by gorgeous houses, on a lovely street.

    It seems so unusual that gas station is not across the street, with a fast-food restaurant to one side, and a funeral home on the other side. We see this so often with splendid survivors.

    Oh, make sure you “walk” down the side street. The facade is dazzling.

  9. KarenB says: 280 comments

    Wow what a street stopper this could be with appropriate era paint scheme. Though I’m not a Victorian fan, I can certainly appreciate the beautiful stained glass and murals. Just a house that I did say W-O-W WEE! Actually the price doesn’t seem bad at all but like others too high taxes to suit me.

  10. JimHJimH says: 5158 comments
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    This one’s pretty well documented: designed by Utica architect Melvin H. Hubbard, built in 1900 (NRHP info isn’t always right). Hubbard had been practicing for a long time so maybe he wasn’t quite up to date on the fashionable new styles. The house looked good in the 1998 photos and hasn’t been painted since. Needs maintenance, not restoration IMO.
    http://www.oprhp.state.ny.us/hpimaging/hp_view.asp?GroupView=6165
    http://www.oprhp.state.ny.us/hpimaging/hp_view.asp?GroupView=6163

  11. Chris32 says: 96 comments

    I can’t get over the low price on this beauty. It’s one of those houses that makes you ooh and ahh with every picture. The wood parquetry floors are absolutely amazing, and so is the woodwork. Would anyone hazard a guess on how much it would cost just to paint it? Oh, and street view is a treat, too.

  12. Bob says: 7 comments

    What an amazing property for the money. If I had it I would jump on it. Its got a great vibe to it. Re Tracy’s comment about the glass, being an owner of a queen ann with original glass and having added some new created by a professional stained glass artist I learned you can tell the difference from the old vs the new as the older stained glass window designs usually incorporated either horizontal and/or vertical support ‘bars’ on the back of the design to support the structural integrity of the glass as the lead that was used to hold the individual glass pieces together was softer than what is used today…and they used these bars to create the structural integrity of the window…..you can see it in the peacock window but I dont see it on the owl or nutcracker windows. LOVE to get my hands on this one…..Love it!!

    • RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      Bob, I agree with you about the support bars, but it should be noted that my 1894 house has 40 original stained-glass windows. Most of these have no support bars.

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      • Bob says: 7 comments

        Wow……great info to know Ross. Thanks!

      • Debbie Mantelli says: 1 comments

        I live in Camden where this house is and actually did a walk through. it is indeed a beauty.the nut cracker windows were done by the last owner a Dr and family from long island, we thought it a bit odd.the house needs a lot of tlc,but is truly beautiful. Camden is a very Norman Rockwell town.

  13. Sean says: 158 comments

    First time commenting. This house really caught my eye. First thing I look at is overall silhouette, and this big ol’ Lady is a beaut! I also like old things to look old, so I enjoy the weathered exterior… tho it can’t be good for the house itself. The interior looks great to me and looks like the owners paid it a lot of attention. Regarding the old vs new art glass windows – one thing that always gives away less-than-vintage glass is the “wavy line”. It seems like original art glass windows were drawn & composed in a way that the dividing lines of the glass were either dead-on intentional (straight lines, arc, etc.) or were worked into the design ie: floral elements, tree branches, water ripples, etc. The leading was very deliberate and confident. This new glass does not show any of that. It seems the dividing lines of the glass behind the owls & nutcrackers are almost random. No self-respecting, serious-minded Victorian would have let this pass. 🙂 Nothing was ever random in Victorian design. Also, nothing in Victorian Decorative Arts was ever “finished” without having some kind of border on it… rather it’s graphic design, furniture design, carpets, etc. The nutcrackers have no border… which means it must be the handiwork of a depraved modernist! (joke) Anyway… if I could find work in this part of the country, I’d be calling the real estate agent today for this big old Lady. She’s a beauty!

  14. says: 369 comments

    OMG! What a beautiful house!

  15. JimC says: 46 comments

    I am now officially obsessed with this house. Now if I can only figure out how to move it 1200 miles. Then to figure out how to pay to move it 1200 miles…..

    • RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      Moving YOU might, might prove easier…

    • Cheryl Franklin says: 2 comments

      I wish I could move it to Australia !!! Love this gorgeous house. I think it would be amazing for overnight “murder mystery parties” and wedding receptions. Could be a real money maker! Wish I could blink and bring it over here, ghosts and all
      Cheryl

  16. JimHJimH says: 5158 comments
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    William H. Dorrance (1844-1915) wasn’t cut out for the clergy, so after the seminary he took a business course at Poughkeepsie and went to work at the local hardware store. His boss was Franklin Fish Fifield (sometimes confused with his brother Francis Drake Fifield; both were called Frank). Dorrance soon married Emma, the sweet but not attractive adopted daughter of F.F. Fifield, after which Fifield took him into partnership at the store. The Dorrances bought a house on Church St. in the early 1870’s and lived at that location for the rest of their lives.
    The hardware business did well, William and Emma raised 3 children and the eldest son F. F. later took over the store. In 1896, Daniel G. Dorrance, the father of William, an investor and former state senator, died at age 85, leaving an estate estimated at over half a million. William obviously spent some of his inheritance on the house.
    It’s not clear from the history or the photos if the 1900 house was built new on the site, or if the older home was incorporated into it. The side street façade isn’t the most elegant, so I’ll guess the old house is in there somewhere. This possibility isn’t mentioned in the NRHP nomination but neither is the fact that the Dorrances lived at that location for over 25 years before this house was built.

    • TracyTracy says: 93 comments

      I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the original house is right there in front of us, it’s just been obscured by the 1900-ish remodel. If you strip away the large, corner turret, the steeply pitched roof, gables, and the tower roof on the right you have an Italianate. Considering that there are several Italianates on the street (one on each corner, if you assume that was the original design for this place), it would fit right in. Also, the 1870’s date would coincide with the Italianate style.

      Note the brackets under the soffit of the main house. I would generally not expect to find those in a house built in 1900. In fact, the rear wing doesn’t include those–they are more “classical” in nature and include dentil molding (not found in the larger-bracketed cornice). IMO, the irregularity of the blind panels in the frieze along the main facade and the fact that the windows pierce the frieze in a somewhat haphazard manner suggest that they were an alteration to an earlier design. The side-street porch threw me at first because of the presence of the larger brackets, but I could imagine the original form was a large, square bay that was changed to the open porch above and curved bay below. Or perhaps the thrifty architect reused them from somewhere else on the house. Hard telling.

      At this point it is pure speculation, but, in my mind, it just “feels” like this was an Italianate originally…

      • JimHJimH says: 5158 comments
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        Tracy, I don’t think you’re far off. The more I look at the exterior, the more layers from different building episodes I see. And the more I read the NRHP info the less confidence I have in any of it except the owner’s name and the street address. I can’t find any evidence this M. H. Hubbard designed houses at all, though he was a draftsman for McKim, Mead & White for awhile, then designed caskets, and did very many churches for which he became well known. The NRHP nom. offers no clue where it got the attribution.
        Your basic idea that the original house was a small Italianate with a projection towards the side street matches the 1874 footprint, although the Beers maps aren’t at all accurate on building dimensions and they exaggerate shapes. At the time Wm. Dorrance’s older brother John was living in the small white w/red villa right across the street before he built his larger house next to it. I would have guessed William bought an existing house too but I don’t know:
        http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/16344/Camden+002/Oneida+County+1874/New+York/

        • John Shiflet says: 5450 comments

          I too concur that there is likely an older home at the core of this house. The architect did an admirable job in the re-design as the interior is more late Queen Anne rather than an earlier Italianate. Hardly anything is visible inside that appears to be from the 1870’s.

      • lm says: 2 comments

        I think I grew up in the original Dorrance house which is one house to the east of the big house. Where does Jim Dorrance fit into your history? He had pure white hair and died in the 1960’s. He built the big square brown house across the street.

  17. Melody says: 521 comments

    I want it!!

    This dear old lady needs some good old TLC. She has some absolutely stunning floors, ceilings, and walls, and yet she wears such a shabby coat of dismay on the outside.

    Those nutcrackers would be the first things to go. Creepy!! (I hate nutcrackers!)
    The kitchen would be the next thing to go.
    Then everyone’s invited over to scrape and paint the exterior. Afterwards, we can all put on new wool socks and go sock sliding across those shiny floors!

  18. Sharon M says: 48 comments

    Wow, what an incredible house! After reading all the comments on this one, I was wondering if someone could raise funds to restore this piece of history by using crowd funding? You see where people come together and support causes a lot less worthy than a beautiful old house like this one.
    After subscribing to Kelly’s blog for quite a few years now, I can see where many of you have a lot of experience and expertise in restoring old houses. Then there are those of us (like me) that just love to imagine the possibilities.
    No personal experience with crowd funding but the right person may be able to pull it off and show off the results on a blog or website.

  19. TimothyTimothy says: 141 comments

    Stunning, absolutely stunning house! I love pretty much everything except the Nutcracker windows and that is simply a matter a personal taste.

  20. Scully63 says: 49 comments

    This is an amazing house for the price! I didn’t see anything about the plumbing, wiring, or how the roof is; however, if those are all in good shape, what a bargain! Now the property taxes on the other hand. . . those are a tad much.

  21. Ed Ferris says: 299 comments

    First Look for 18 more days — you have to go live there. Homepath properties are priced for a quick sale. Will this one make it to the Investor stage? Tune in next month for the next thrilling episode of “One House to Paint”.

  22. Pete says: 11 comments

    I grew up in Camden and have been inside this house many times. It’s truly a stunning home. Camden is a beautiful town filled with similar homes. As far as the price, I know $105,000 sounds like a deal, but it’s about right for a comparable home in the area. Let’s start with that old real estate adage: Location! Location! Location! Camden is a small town, employment opportunities in the village are limited. The nearest city (Rome, NY, pop est 33,000) is a 25 minute drive. The next biggest cities close by are Syracuse and Utica, both are approximately a 45 minute drive from Camden in good weather. Double that time if it’s snowing. If you look at comparable homes in Camden they are typically in the 100-145 range. This home has been on the market since 2010 and finally falling into foreclosure after failing to sell at $169,000. This home was purchased several years back for 234,000, by a couple from Long Island where housing prices are stratospheric. So 234,000 seemed like a bargain. They got here not knowing the area and not knowing how far a commute almost everything will end up being. Not knowing how long winter can last here. 5 months of snow isn’t uncommon. 2-3 feet of snow in one storm isn’t uncommon. They quickly left. And the house sat empty since. If you are interested in the house please understand the location first! Don’t get me wrong, I love Camden!!! It’s beautiful here and it’s a slow paced life. The schools are first rate, and it’s a safe town. That said, the weather is terrible about half the time unless you ski or snowmobile, the economy is just so-so. The house is in the condition it’s in now because the past HO didn’t research before buying. If you are seriously interested please take the time to research this home and the area. Know that upkeep is going to be continuous work and quite costly. I truly hope this home finds an owner who respect it and will love the area.

    • chris32 says: 96 comments

      Pete, I really appreciate your post. It’s always great to hear from a local who has actually seen the house we’re all lusting after. I am so intrigued by the craftsmanship in this place. That being said, I could afford to buy it, but then I’d need a second mortgage to afford to have it painted. Big bucks, for sure!

      • Pete says: 11 comments

        Thanks Chris. It’s a great house, it really is. Seeing it in person is more impressive than I can find a way to put in words. It definitely needs work, paint like you said, a new roof, or possibly the tin can be restored although it’s in pretty rough shape, the apartment is a terrible setup and should be converted back, and I’d have a structural engineer checking out that tower and the bases of the porch columns ASAP. But it is a gorgeous house, and a really great area if it’s a lifestyle you are looking for. It’s about as Mayberry meets Norman Rockwell as you are going to find.

        • Travis says: 12 comments

          Pete, my thoughts exactly on the tower! I don’t recall if I have seen a tower like that without a base!!! That does look dangerous! I would think some sort of steel support would need to be added. You could always hide this if you replaced the posts with columns. The other alternative would be to extend the tower down and either route the porch around it or have 2 separate porches. After over 100 years like that I can’t imagine that it is very safe. But then again, it may be tied into the main structure quite well and that’s why it hasn’t fallen. Who knows????

          • John Shiflet says: 5450 comments

            Travis, others;
            Almost for certain the overhanging tower design has some beefy (cantilevered) supports already under it. By 1900, structural support using steel beams was becoming fairly common so they may be present here. A look at the corner of the porch indicates little if any sagging of the tower structure. A towered Queen Anne house in my Fort Worth neighborhood also had an overhanging tower and it did sag three inches over the decades but about 20 years ago it was jacked up to level by professional contractors and stronger supports were added under the floors. No recent sagging detected. One might want to have a structural engineer take a look at it but visually I can’t see evidence of sagging in the photos.

            • RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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              1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
              Emporia, KS

              I agree with John. There is nothing to indicate that the tower is not structurally sound.

              • Pete says: 11 comments

                Hi Ross,

                I don’t doubt your expertise. I stumbled upon your blog a few weeks ago, and I have to admit I binge read it all in one sitting and thoroughly enjoyed it! It’s a wealth of information and entertaining and sometimes hysterical. The Cross House is amazing to be sure! It was more of a know what you may be getting yourself into sorta point. Catching problems while they are minor is much better than waiting till they are colossal. Everybody loves this house, it’s a great house! My fear is that someone will buy it cause it has a pretty face and leave it worse for the wear again when they realize there’s nothing around or that it needs a bit of work. Continuous work.

            • Pete says: 11 comments

              Hi John,

              There’s no sagging to the naked eye, and it seems sturdy under foot, and I’m sure the quality of construction is grade A. it’s hard to see in these particular photos, But you’ll notice where the paint is completely gone on the fish scale area of the exterior of the tower where tower curves and blends into a part of the porch roof. The shingles in that section are worn out pretty severely. Also what you cannot see is that the wall paper on the interior of the tower between the baseboard and bottom of the windows is peeling in spots from water damage. The porch posts look pretty decent for being 100+ years old. I’d be more worried about the damage to the support beams. I think the thought was better to be safe than lose that awesome tower! I have hundreds of high res photos of this home, I even have a few vintage shots of this one and its neighbor the J.G. Dorrance House if you are interested in seeing them.

              • John Shiflet says: 5450 comments

                It’s unusual for one property to get over 70 Old House Dreams postings in one day so this house is special to many of us. If you have vintage photos or better shots of details not seen in the listing photos, Kelly, the website owner, might wish to upload them for all to see. Alternately, if you posted them on a (free) site like Flickr, you could link to an album with them. As you noted, water infiltration can compromise the strongest of constructions. Hopefully, this one can receive maintenance before water damage becomes a serious issue.

                • chris32 says: 96 comments

                  You’re so right, John. This house IS special, and a whole bunch of folks have fallen in love. 🙂 I sure wish someone on OHD would buy it and do a blog about its restoration. I wish that someone could be ME, but I’d be happy with anyone taking on this project!

              • LynnLynn says: 74 comments
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                Oh yes yes more pics please! We would all love to see more of this house I’m sure. That one kitchen pic didn’t show much and as far as the other rooms, well not very good photos.

            • Phillip says: 53 comments

              There was an abandoned weathered-to-grey house sitting out in the fields off the road to Anacortes, WA. No trees, no other buildings around, missing windows and doors, just sitting out there in the fields. It was two story with a second floor tower at the junction of two walls with no supports. Although it sagged a bit, it remained suspended in the air for at least 20/25 years. The house was the object of many painters and photographers from the area. I believe last time I was there…maybe 4 years ago, it was finally gone.

  23. John Shiflet says: 5450 comments

    I can visualize this impressive house painted in period colors; what a showplace that would be! (suitable for the cover of a Victorian homes book) Stunning house overall but not perfect at present to be sure. However, at this very low price (I would assume a $100k offer might get it) the materials alone might equal the purchase price. As others have noted, even a casual observer would see the difference between the original fine quality stained glass windows and the later (1970’s, 1980’s “Nutcracker” themed) windows. I’ve seen the peacock landing window before but I’m not sure if this is original or a copy. The lead grid lines look a little sloppy for a period original but I’d have to see it in person to be sure. Fine details like the wedding cake ornamental plaster ceilings remain (“French” Colonial themed?) inlaid parquet floors, and more and yet still more. Surely in its heyday, a staff of hired help kept this mansion looking at its best. This, like the recently posted Coldwater, MI house, has visual surprises at every turn. I wish there were a full photo of the light fixture in the “green” room. Some of the other photos show other vintage fixtures which could be original to the house. This reminds me of the 8,000+ square foot 1904 mansion Nicole Curtis (“Rehab Addict”) tackled in the Twin-Cities. An individual working alone on this house should expect years of intense renovation work ahead. Even with a full crew of a dozen people, it might take six months to a year of steady work before it shines as it did originally. It’s such a wonderful house in the coveted towered Queen Anne style that I hate to even mention taxes. No, not those assessed presently but what might occur after a full restoration with the house pushing a million dollars in value? Some communities have tax freezes or other incentives to make projects of this size financially feasible, that would go a long way towards making or breaking this project. Of course, if you’re fortunate enough so that the renovation and tax costs are a secondary consideration, buy this dream house and enjoy it. This would be a dream house for us but I’m realistic enough to realize it is more than we could take on despite its wonderful appeal. I hope the next owners appreciate the period charm remaining here and will faithfully bring this landmark home back to its period glory.

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    • Travis says: 12 comments

      This house would never be worth a million dollars. Not in Camden. The house doesn’t look as bad as you describe. I bought a Victorian in similar condition and I lived in it quite comfortably while it was renovated.

      If the house were here in Knoxville, TN in this shape it would still command well over 300K if not more. Alas, I wish it were here, I would have already bought it!

      • darlene says: 1 comments

        Oh Travis, where do you live? I would love to see it. My favorite is the Pickle mansion ( what are they going to do?) and the red brick at 15th &and Laurel. I also loved the house on St John on Lenoir City.

        • Travis says: 12 comments

          I live in Oakwood-Lincoln Park. The Pickle Mansion’s fate is up in the air. The upstairs was gutted by a fire and the downstairs is badly damaged. It would take a long time to restore it – actually restore is a stretch since there isn’t much left except for a hull. The home on Laurel is gorgeous – I believe it is apartments, which I find criminal to do to such a lovely old home. The homes in that area are always in trouble because the University of TN keeps buying up these gorgeous old houses and tearing them down for parking lots, dorms and libraries. Since UT is state owned they do not have to honor historical zoning and can demolish any building they wish to. I hate UT for this.

  24. says: 108 comments

    WOW! I can’t believe this house isn’t in mah Georgia! What a stunner! I had thought the whole time I was looking at this that it was a Barber! The stairs and wooodwork had convinced me! The plaster detailing is just absolutely gorgeous, and makes me think this place should have been next to Belle Grove! I would take this baby just how she is now. I don’t want her gussied up; I want her weatherworn as is, just like me! She’s earned it! I would even live with the kitchen, but might give the neighborhood kids a baseball to throw thru the nutcrackers! Who invented nasty nutcrackers anyway? They’re a shade less creepy than all the assorted creepy things on the Wizard of Oz! (Yeah, at least it’s not those horrible munchkins or witches from that horrid movie! Oh, don’t get me started! Even the Tin Man and the Lion and the Scarecrow were creepy in that. Come to think of it, Dorothy was creepy too!) This place is just totally beautiful! (I have finally got internet again, so I’m back to harass ya’ll some more!)

  25. KC Camden says: 4 comments

    My husband and I looked at this house in 2008 when we were looking to buy a house in Camden.I don’t know if any improvements were made after we saw it but the house needed major work and was listed at over $300000 at the time.
    The floors were buckled from water damage in the foyer, the basement had support jacks what seemed like every 5ft, the kitchen had tiles on the floor that weren’t glued or grouted down so the floor moved when you did, there is a porthole window on the side of the house which looks awful on a Queen Anne, the small balcony porch felt like you would fall off the house when you went out on it, I know who painted the outside and was told the owners got the cheapest K mart paint they could find to paint it with.
    The canvas ceiling with the romantic painting in the parlor was very pretty, but this place needed a whole lot of money and love.
    The house at 113 Main St is in much better shape if your looking for a Victorian in Camden and it’s a great place to live with wonderful caring people.

    • Travis says: 12 comments

      It doesn’t appear to be in that condition now, at least not the floors, but pictures can be deceiving.
      As for the support jacks – that isn’t uncommon. I live in a 2000 sq ft Victorian which isn’t considered large and the center of the house has a bunch of these jacks as well. Over time these old houses can get weak spots in their foundation or can just simply need to be jacked up to repair sagging.

  26. rick says: 1 comments

    I grew up 15 mins away and went to school in camden. Camden has many of these homes..some restored and look great and some not just like this. Camden is generally one of the hardest hit towns in the winter with snow and no matter how efficient you’re system is it will still cost alot to heat and cool. I’ve seen the inside and the $100k looks inviting but the costs to repair to live in conditions will be very pricey especially if restored as it should be. Maybe with the new nano-tech jobs coming in somebody will get it and give it the care it needs. I drive by it once a week or so and the pictures don’t do it justice. Also consider even though it’s a small village this sits on the main road leading in and out of the village. Busy most of the day.

  27. KC says: 13 comments

    I grew up in this small town and in a home like this. I own some houses here and recently renovated a colonial built in 1865. It’s tenant occupied as most of these homes are. I would love to buy this place and make it what it should be. The outside needs the most work but once it is done the curb appeal would be amazing.

  28. KC Camden says: 4 comments

    If you really want to buy this house I feel I should make you aware of what you will be getting into:
    We have free concerts in the village park gazebo every Thursday night in the Summer where people actually get up and dance! This will occur a block away from your house.
    We have 2 hardware stores that will do everything they can do to make you happy and one sells nails by the pound and is a great resource for locating who does what.
    We have 2 traffic lights, and a new Dunkin Donuts.
    The Village is pretty flat…lots of walkers and bikers and they wave and say hello..if your bothered by this you won’t be happy.
    We have a Library with a big orange cat and a fireplace, also the Carriage house Museum, the recently restored clock tower and the Methodist Church plays the carillon 3 times a day.
    Yes, we have snow, lots of it but the plows come through the main roads constantly so if you can get out of your driveway you can pretty much go anywhere you need to.
    This is a caring community with helpful friendly people and when you buy the house be prepared for people to say thank you for saving her…we even have a collectible Camden Christmas ball featuring your home.

    • KC says: 13 comments

      KC Camden – I love your description of the area. Couldn’t said it better myself. If I invest my time/money into the place I wanna bring it back to the glory it once was. I want a team to help with restoration. A community team of course. It could be a great project that would enhance the look of Church St

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  29. Cassandra says: 12 comments

    I was lucky enough to view this house this past Sunday June the 7th. I live in Glens Falls, which is about 2.5 hours away from Camden. My mother and I were interested in it as a joint venture, as we both love old Victorians and hope to restore one. The realtor I went with has received a ton of phone calls, but has only shown the house to 2 or 3 people. She said that inventors need not apply, and people who cannot afford a cash sale are not eligible to purchase the house. As of Sunday there were 10 applications in to Fannie Mae for cash purchase of the home. It must also be owner occupied. I can say I really learned a lot from the realtor, as I have never looked at a foreclosure or a historic home. My current home and my rental house were both conventional sales.

    Anyways… I expected the inside to be trashed for the price. It’s not. It’s unreal. The front 1/2 of the house is incredible. It’s like you stepped back in time. My favorite room was the peach sitting room, and I would LOVE to know more about the history of the painting on the ceiling. The peacock stained glass over the stairs is breathtaking. There also looks to be original stained glass over the front window, but that one has a hole in it, and needs some work. Both pieces of glass are curved and contoured to bring out the best when the light hits it. Forgive me, I don’t know what that is called but I’ve never been able to see something like that up close. The back 1/2 of the house was one time closed off into a rental. There’s stairs with a separate entrance in the back and there’s a kitchen upstairs. Those rooms look more 1960s in feel, and I hated them LOL. A very small portion of ceiling was coming down in one of those rooms. All the bathrooms are not original and quite boring. The kitchen downstairs also needs an overhaul, but for the most part is in good shape. The 3rd floor is unfinished, you enter through stairs in an upstairs bathroom and there are of course doors to the porches up there. I did not go in the basement but my husband says it was clean and had a newer furnace and hot water tank. There are so many gorgeous light fixtures in this home. Overall it’s an incredible find and I feel extraordinarily lucky to have been able to explore it. I took a ton of photos, and they really don’t do it justice.

    I could not live there so I wouldn’t be able to purchase it. The career potential in that area seems quite limited, but it really was a lovely little town. I absolutely hope with all my heart that the person who is chosen as its new owner does it justice and restores it all to its historic integrity. There are not many gems like this left.

    • RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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      Thank you for the wonderful First Hand report!

      Oh, as I detailed above, a Fannie Mae property only needs to be owner-occupied during the First Look period. After that (normally the first 20 days of the listing), anybody (like an investor) can make an offer.

      • Cassandra says: 12 comments

        Hi Ross, The realtor told me that the house must be owner occupied for at least a year. Again I’m not a realtor and I have no clue as to the requirements, perhaps I misunderstood… Anyways, I could not have it as a primary bc of my job.

      • Mary says: 54 comments

        Ross, What is your Blog? This has been the most interesting run of comments I have ever read on this site. I would love to check out your blog. We live in mid-Missouri, so not that far from where you are. Thank you.

  30. Rick says: 70 comments

    Amazing light fixtures. Crazy they’re still there. Love to know about that orb like fixture, gorgeous. What they must look like in person. Thanks Cassandra.

  31. JimHJimH says: 5158 comments
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    Wow, this just gets better. The pristine tower/bay nook (mahogany?) with fretwork and the amber glass fixture is breathtaking! Thanks Cassandra.

  32. KC Camden says: 4 comments

    Well, if you think things are just about as good as you can get with this house, here’s something else….Amish! We have Amish, and because we don’t make them a tourist attraction they are very friendly and they live close to Camden and it’s not unusual to see buggies around town especially in the Summer…the bank even has a place for them to tie up their horses.
    Any sport fisherman? The Salmon River is about 20 min from Camden, look that up on Google if you enjoy fishing. Is boating your thing..we have numerous lakes within minutes of home.
    Also, we love a good parade..no matter the weather a St. Patrick’s Day parade will be held, and this Summer we will have a bicycle club with over 400 members staying in the Village Park as an overnight stop on their tour of northern N.Y.
    Sure hope your here to enjoy the fun, and no, I don’t work for the Chamber of Commerce…but we do have one..lol

  33. Rick says: 70 comments

    There is an image showing you the point of view of looking out that side door with the oval glass and you can see the brick that is the backside of the fireplace so wouldn’t that of been the exterior wall at one time?

  34. KC says: 13 comments

    I was able to obtain many more exterior photos today along with some of the old carriage house. Enjoy viewing!

  35. Kelly says: 1 comments

    I have been in LOVE with this house since I was 5. Today I walked through with a realtor. I agree with many of he first hand comments, much of the first floor is original. There are also multiple original light fixtures that I can’t believed weren’t stripped out of the place. The coal furnace grate in the peach room is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen in a house and that green library or sitting room is like stepping back in time.

    The cons are pretty huge though too- past the green room into about her back sitting room ( opening to the covered port on the right when looking at the property) has had to ceiling lowered for no apparent reason. This interferes with the intricate wood work in the archways going between the rooms. I found multiple rolling floors on the second floor. Some seemed to be replaced with laminate and other the 1920-40s style blond wood skinny boards ( I’m not an expert on floor names obviously LOL) The second floor hasn’t been nearly as well treated as the first and has been hacked up and doesn’t make much sense as you’re walking through it. As another poster commented the kitchens and bathrooms and they are more than a shame. They’re cheaply done and hacked in randomly again. I’d love to get my hands on the abstract to see how this floor should be set up, I just couldn’t picture it with so many alterations. Water damage around windows and on some original patterned floors ;( and soft spots in the attic/3rd floor ( I put my foot through the floor when checking out the windows!)

    The place could be glorious. I too am making a bid, but am not going to die if I don’t get it. Ill just wait another ten or twenty years 😉 and hope someone does some of the work for me.

  36. Marshall says: 1 comments

    Kelly, I know what it is to love a house. I know what it is to want to see it come back to where it should be, should have always been because of its perfect design and overwhelming beauty. I so hope you get it. Cheers!

  37. Holy Wow, cliff hanger here. I can’t tell you how wonderful it is that this lovely house is the Belle of the Ball and will get a caretaker who will love her and do right by her. 10 OFFERS plus Kelly’s is amazing. (Be patient you’re working with the government.) And Camden sounds like my kind of town. Asking the Old House Gods to watch over this one and send her the right person/s. Can’t wait to read the next part of the story.

  38. KC says: 13 comments

    I am happy to announce that I was officially selected as the new owner of this house today! 17 bidders in total. Final paperwork to be completed tomorrow. I’m ready for any help and suggestions! Should close by the end of July.

    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11932 comments
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      Congratulations KC!!!

    • RossRoss says: 2456 comments
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      Whoee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Will you be doing a blog, or Facebook page on the house?

      • KC says: 13 comments

        Yes I’m hoping so. I will provide the link once I get it up and running.

        • Sharon M says: 48 comments

          Congratulations KC! Sounds like you have the right amount of enthusiasm and commitment for taking on this task. I too look forward to seeing your progress when you share. You do know we’re all jealous, right? ?

    • JimC says: 46 comments

      Congratulations, KC! Looking forward to seeing this house come back to life. Good luck with your new journey.

  39. Karrei says: 234 comments

    How exciting. Would love to see it when you have it lovenly restored to it former glory!!

  40. KC says: 13 comments

    I’m very excited! I can’t wait to get started. Lots of things to plan and think about. ?

  41. I am pea green with envy and so happy for you! I can’t wait to follow the rest of the story.

  42. Kathie Posner says: 4 comments

    Congratulations!!!! From Big Blue with the bike at the end of Main St.

  43. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11932 comments
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    Congratulations again KC! Here’s a pic she just sent of her standing on the porch. I’m so excited for you!

    • Mary says: 54 comments

      She Owns that!! Congratulations, I can’t wait to see what you do with this jewel!

  44. Laura Boyd says: 9 comments

    Congratulations KC!!!! So excited to see what you do and the care you can give that beautiful home!!! Cassandra- additional pictures were great! Love that light in the green room!

  45. Ame Hale says: 3 comments

    So happy that someone that cares has this gem of a home! Please keep all of us posted as to your progress… Just love these old homes from the past era!!
    Good Luck in your adventure!!

  46. Jenny says: 1 comments

    OMG, this house, this house! Congrats on purchasing this lovely lady, I cannot wait to follow the progress, how can we find out when you are posting? I thoroughly enjoyed reading all the posts, learning, n living vicariously through KC! Can’t wait to hear more!

  47. Bob says: 7 comments

    Congratulations KC……..I am so excited to see this awesome property will be treated with the same love as by those who built her!! Please keep us posted!

  48. RosewaterRosewater says: 6678 comments
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    Wow. You are a braver one than I. That place is a monster! 😉 Hope you take a million before pix, (especially of basements and attics) and post them to Flickr so we can all oooohh and aaaahh at your fabulous beast. Good Luck!

  49. Cheryl says: 2 comments

    Well done KC. You have a lot of hard work ahead of you. But such a worthwhile job. Will you be living in the house or will it be turned into a business? What ever you do I wish you good luck with this beautiful old lady and like the others I do hope you will keep us posted with pics. Cheryl

  50. Marjorie Morningstar says: 1 comments

    Did KC ever set up a blog

  51. KC says: 13 comments

    Hi everyone! I’ve been super busy finalizing all the paperwork and financing. Closing is scheduled for around July 28th. I have been in talks with a local professional photographer who will work with me on a photodocumenting blog/website once I get the keys. She has done some exterior photos for me so that I can begin accepting bids for the roof restoration. (The biggest immediate obstacle). I have been in contact with our state parks agency who is going to help me apply for the tax restoration credits which will help in the financing of this massive project. Once we get the website up and running I will be sure to link it here on the forum. Gonna be a busy few weeks getting everything wrapped up. Lots of planning ahead and I can’t wait to get started.

  52. Karrie says: 234 comments

    I am so excited for you KC, I can’t wait to see the progress as you restore this home. Just a quick question, was the furniture in the pics left in the house? If so what a find for you, one less expense if that is the case. I so will be living my dream of an old victorian (I would love to live in one, sigh) through you as you restore this beauty. I will be praying that you do not have an obstacles in your way as you start this exciting adventure…. looking forward to your updates…..

  53. KC says: 13 comments

    All the furniture was confiscated by the bank. They even took the bathroom mirror. They got what they could out of it to recoup their loss. Boo! ?

    • Laura says: 9 comments

      Did they take all the light fixtures too?

    • Eric Brightman says: 1 comments

      Congratulations. Let me know about those hand prints upstairs. My wife just showed me the house and wanted it. Too late. Can’t wait to read your blog on the house.

  54. Karrie says: 234 comments

    KC, too bad about the furniture, banks are so greedy. but you have the house now and that is what counts. I went on the web site (the NY parks etc) and in 1998 the house looked pretty decent, I don’t understand how it could deteriorate so fast in just a few short years…. Have a great day. Praying for the best as you work on the house.

  55. Gregg Gleba says: 1 comments

    I bought a house in Westdale (Camden) 10 years ago and finally moved full time here. I drive by the house all the time. What a beautiful house. I have looked through the windows and missed the one open house a couple of months ago. I’ve been working on my 1846 house and it is a never ending project 😉 If I can help in any way feel free to email me. I have quite a bit of experience with renovations. I wonder if a web site could be created for donations to help with the renovation cost would be possible? A lot of people really want it to be brought back to the original beauty. You must see it in person to really appreciate it. Best of luck to you KC.

  56. KC says: 13 comments

    Getting the final bits and pieces wrapped up this week. To answer the question about the light fixtures. Yes some are original and some are a Lowes “special buy”. I will address them room by room. The local newspaper reached out to me and would like to do an interview with me and a write a big article on the history and my purchase of the house. We decided to meet once I get the keys in hand. I have created an email account for anyone that wishes to correspond with me. WHDorranceHouse@gmail.com. Hopefully with all the exposure I can find some craftsman, woodworkers, artistians, etc that would lend their talents in this historical restoration. I will post the blog information as soon as we are up and running. Thanks again for all the support! Time to go pick some more paint samples!

  57. Sharon M says: 48 comments

    KC, you are simply the BEST to keep us all in the loop of your new adventure. Best wishes for an exciting and rewarding project.

  58. Karrie says: 234 comments

    Praying that all goes well and you have those keys in your hands soon. I love it that you have been keeping all of us (old victorian home lovers) up dates with your progress. Wishing you the best as your adventure is just beginning.

  59. Ame Hale says: 3 comments

    so sorry about the furniture and if I lived closer I would donate something but Michigan seems so far away!! Thanks for keeping all of us up to date! You have a Classy Lady to work on! Wishing you the best!!

  60. Kitty Salzman says: 1 comments

    I am looking forward to seeing the progress of this beautiful home. I would dream of ownership when we would drive by visiting relatives. Best of luck.

  61. KC says: 13 comments

    All the documents have been submitted and all is in order for Tues at 10am. I will be the official owner in just a few days!! Thanks for all the kind words and encouragement on my adventure. I hope you will all follow the progress! ?

  62. Ami says: 1 comments

    Looking forward to following the restoration. Please keep me posted as to where I can do that. Congratulations! Looks like an awesome house!

  63. Linda says: 1 comments

    So envious of you KC, is there any chance you will start a facebook page of the restoration? Id love to watch your restoration of this grand house.

  64. KC says: 13 comments

    Well after two weeks of headaches dealing with Fannie Mae and a few extra days to close… I can say that I finally have the keys in my hand and completed my first official visit as the new owner. We have begun a FB a page – WH Dorrance House. It will correspond with our blog once we are up and running. Please “Like” and follow along! Oh and share with all your friends!

    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11932 comments
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      Yay! Here’s a link for anyone that would like to follow: WH Dorrance House Facebook Page.

      I’ll be closing comments on this post this evening so anyone who would like to share history, old photos or any other information can do so there. Congratulations again KC, we look forward to seeing your progress! 🙂

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