1891 Shingle – Ogdensburg, NY

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522 Cresent St. Ogdensburg NY

  • $134,900
  • 6 Bed
  • 4 Bath
  • 4641 Sq Ft
Situated on a gorgeous,oversized, city lot w/ river views, the striking sandstone residence at 522 Crescent St seems to command your attention and beckons one back to a more opulant era. This home has the elaborate detail that one would expect in classic Victorian architecture- inside(high ceilings,wainscotting,lg rooms,many windows) and out. .522 Crescent St was owned for generations by the same family until it was sold.Most recently it was an owner occupied antique shop. To say it has impressive curb appeal seems to be an understatement. The solid sandstone home boasts turrets,columns supporting the expansive wrap around porches,gable roof(shingles new 2014) ,eye brow window, fishscale & other ornate patterned wood siding & a backdrop of cast iron fencing & gate. Enter the front of the home you'll find the main floor has a double LR,DR,kit,(typical victorian utilitarian)library/den and 1/2 bath. You'll find HD WD floor, wide,front & rear staircases, 2 wood FP and impressive palladian window.Second floor has large foyer,4 spacious BR (3 w/Fireplaces) one w/ attach bath (needs repair),the main full bath & laundry rm w/ 1/2 bath) Third floor is as expected, more modest in design (gererally the 3rd floor was for the staff) has recently been used as storage but there are 4 BR & a Kit & bath (which haven't been used in decades). Cellar is also sectioned into rooms-furnace room,workshop etc. Garage accomodates 2 cars (one behind the other). While work is needed to completely restore this striking residence it to all of it's previous grandure - it's Priced to sell.
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Sharon Alford, Bruyere Chadwick Realty,
(315) 323-1226

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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11890 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Please, no exploding heads! I just couldn’t help myself on posting this one. No description was found.

  2. JimC says: 47 comments

    Somewhere under that thick coat of Pepto-Bismol is a priceless gem just waiting to be uncovered. I’d love to see a vintage photo of this one. I’ll bet it was a sight to see. Can you imagine that interior woodwork before somebody got crazy with the white paint??

  3. Ant Eun says: 43 comments

    I think (and I am not a violent person, by any means)that some people should be slapped and hard when putting a color like this on a house this grand.

  4. says: 2 comments

    The shame inside far outweighs the outside, IMO.

    • Marion says: 71 comments

      Totally agree!
      The inside is completely ruined

    • amy says: 3 comments

      I so agree. White paint should be ououtlawed.

      • Allan says: 74 comments

        They could have painted it pink on the inside!

      • lbbjr says: 49 comments

        I must admit, the white painted woodwork works in this house!
        I think it is a beauty, the only pity that someone desecrated the kitchen and bathrooms and fitted modern horrors
        I could call this beauty home

  5. Cody H says: 135 comments

    Someone went to a lot of trouble to make sure that every last piece of millwork in that house had a coat of white paint or two slathered on it. That’s should be illegal. What a travesty!

  6. Bethany says: 3479 comments

    As soon as I saw this, I thought to myself, “I can’t wait to read the comments on THIS one,” and they did not disappoint! But seriously, experts, that ugly brick/stone fireplace in the 6th picture doesn’t sit right with me for this style of house, even though it does kind of “match” the stone on the outside of the house. What do you think?

    • babs says: 1 comments

      I AGREE, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT MATCHES THE EXTERIOR STONE. IT PROBABLY BLENDED IN SO MUCH BETTER WITH THE ORIGINAL STAINED WOOD. THE ALL WHITE AROUND IT MAKES IT STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB

  7. Paul W says: 473 comments

    As someone in the antiques business I can not imagine why I’d paint the house this color. As a historic preservationist I sometimes worry that preservation districts area little to demanding on the issue of Exterior color review/approval. This is textbook reason why you need review!

    Now what you do, if you want to buy this house, is go out and find the best painting company and get an estimate to scrape, sand, prime the house and repaint it in a period appropriate late Victorian 3 color paint job. Take that estimate (probably 40-50K on a house this size) and submit it with your 90K offer.

    Once you buy it, have your kids take flyers around the neighborhood announcing you are having a painting party and “Barney the Purple Dinosaur” is about to be killed.

    You will, have all the free labor you can handle!

    Given the amount of woodwork inside I think I’d probably faux grain it rather than try to strip it.

    Great house that deserves some serious help!

    • Marion says: 71 comments

      And you will NEVER find anyone doing the same for the interior, and if you do it will be twice as much as the exterior.
      IMO this house has been ruined.

    • JimC says: 47 comments

      40 to 50k for paint??? I’m changing professions and moving to your town! I’d have called 4k highway robbery.

    • AudreyAudrey says: 107 comments

      Actually ‘don’t faint, it’s just paint’ is the mantra of most preservationists (like me). Getting bogged down in individual’s color choices is a bad move. There are a lot more pressing preservation issues at hand (for example the ruining of entire neighborhoods by replacement window salesmen).

  8. says: 366 comments

    The exterior doesn’t bother me all that much – unlike trim removal or unsympathetic additions, this could be easily altered. The interior painting? True, not historic, but for modern living, I can see why after the 9th or 10th month of an upper New York State winter you might get tired of dark wood! I think someone with design sense could adjust the interior color schemes and have a striking home. They just wouldn’t be living in a house museum.

    • Frank D. Myers says: 58 comments

      Same sentiments here — it appears to be structurally sound and in good repair (and no one painted the fireplace, which matches the exterior stonework and would have been a striking fit had the paneling around it not been painted). It could be turned into a very pleasant home — and a lifelong hobby if one wanted to strip woodwork. No museum house to be sure, but potentially light, bright and contemporary within a vaguely Romanesque package.

  9. says: 36 comments

    The house could be made to look much better, though never the way it should be. Personally, I would forgive all other sins if someone, anyone, would de-pinkify this poor old dear.

  10. karrie says: 244 comments

    why would someone paint all that beautiful wood white? that in itself would be a major taking just to strip and retain, but will worth it. great house…

  11. Paul W says: 473 comments

    Jim , you haven’t got bids on paint jobs lately? 40-60K for proper historic paint job is not at all uncommon for house this size. If you are hiring a quality painting contractor they have to have a EPA lead certified person on site at all times. You have to tarp the ground out from the structure, YOU may have to tarp the scaffold too. You have to carefully bag and label and in some states they have to go to specific disposal sites. On a house this size you need to scaffold it in order to get to the ‘details’, You have hundreds of hours to scrape a house properly. You then have labor to repair cracks and you will have some clapboard and shingle replacement. You always have huge amounts of caulking to do, nail resets, and you will want to reglaze windows before you paint them (how many windows here?). You have to prime the wood and different areas will require different primers. Once you prime you will need to do at least two brush coats. Then come out the detail painter with the fine brushes to paint out all the details.

    If you are a painting contractor you probably have several hundred hours of labor before you are done. You have liability insurance, the cost of keeping someone certified on site at all times. Quality paint and primers are not cheap these days and good painters need good brushes (not the cheapies you buy at Home Depot). Painter don’t work for minimum wage (assuming they are legal) anymore. 12-15 bucks an hr (per guy) is not uncommon and the detail guys make 18-20.

    Remember a good paint job can last 10 years and if its properly scraped and primed maybe 12-15 (with minor touchups). Sure you can get “billy bob” to powerwash a house, spray it with a Wagner sprayer and maybe last 2 years before it starts peeling. Neighbor down the street from me hired “certa pro” they paid 8 grand for small house and they did it in two days with 6 guys…one winter passed and guess what? Its already peeling. The owner was complaining to me about it the other day and I told her what do you expect for 8 grand and 6 guys for two days. You got a cheap,fast job. Low bid,low quality.

  12. JimH says: 4948 comments

    This house was built for a prominent attorney, and a resident for a time was the widow of artist Frederic Remington, a local boy. More recently a long time owner was businessman Frank A. Augsbury Jr. (“But Frankie it’s just so daaark.”) He grew up in another 1891 beauty in town on Caroline Street. Augsbury ran an oil business that polluted a stretch of Ogdensburg’s waterfront, now unusable.
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/112-Caroline-St_Ogdensburg_NY_13669_M33249-32030

  13. John Shiflet says: 5363 comments

    Certainly a “progressive” house for its time, The usual carved wood mantel-piece was rejected for something bold and rustic. A decade later, this move towards the use of natural materials coalesced around the Arts & Crafts Movement but in 1891 this was “modern” for its time. I also agree the interior wood millwork would have been finished in the clear and would likely display nicely figured wood panels and trim. Why belabor the color choices…to bring attention to the Antique business it surely works. No doubt anyone seeking to find it would have no problems doing so. The usual antiques shop clutter is seen inside but I believe originally this house would have been considered a very cutting edge modern mansion for its time. Most likely, a prominent architect might have designed it as well. (Jim, any ideas?) In summary, I think its a far better house than the photos suggest. Well priced too.

    • JimH says: 4948 comments

      John, I can find the client, attorney Gustave Dorwin and the builder Antoine Paquette, but nothing on the designer. A prolific architect upstate was Archimedes Russell of Syracuse whose buildings in many styles are all over; maybe this is the work of his firm. One of his Shingle Style houses and a masterpiece: http://syracusethenandnow.org/Nghbrhds/WOnondga/George_Whedon_House/Whalan_Brothers_Funeral_Home.htm
      https://www.oldhousedreams.com/2014/01/13/1889-romanesque-little-falls-ny/

      • John Shiflet says: 5363 comments

        Archimedes Russell was arguably among the top five New York state architects in the late 19th century. However, I’m not familiar enough with his work to say if this house has any defining characteristics of Russell’s work. I’m aware of a Queen Anne style mansion he designed in Malone, NY near the Canadian border (on the cover of the book AMERICA’S PAINTED LADIES) and a school building in a smaller NY community (Schoharie?…endangered and currently for sale) For some reason, the design reminds me of the work by Syracuse native architect, James H. Kirby (1844-1893) who published 3 portfolios of designs beginning in 1874 until 1887. More information: http://syracusethenandnow.org/Architects/Kirby/James_H_Kirby.htm I believe the Internet Archive has a (Canadian based) accessible copy of Kirby’s MODERN COTTAGES from 1887-I bought a printed copy online from one of those print on demand firms and when I received it, it was barely legible-it turned out they merely downloaded the Internet Archive version and printed it out then put a generic binding over it-a few random pages were included from a religious publication indicating sloppy production standards. There were other architects like Bruce Price who were “progressive” at the time this house was built. I’m sure with enough research, the designing architect could be determined. This is precisely the kind of house that would often pop up in construction trade publications like the NATIONAL BUILDER magazine, CARPENTRY & BUILDING, INLAND ARCHITECT & BUILDING NEWS, and others. But there are large gaps in the online resources…Google Books has some issues of these publications but only a few academic institutions have complete sets and I’m not getting paid to go search for them. Even if I could, there’s also no guaranty I’d find this particular design in any of them. In summary, I feel this house was designed by a “progressive” architect of the time but there were a number of possible architects who might be behind the design. In its current state the house does not provide the visual impact it originally had but with careful research and a faithful restoration, the house would regain its former status. Right now, I’d put this house in the “sleeper” category.

        • Matt Ziehnert says: 102 comments

          John, James H. Kirby came to my mind as well when I first saw this posting.

  14. Monte' Mcknight says: 2 comments

    Hi, I really like this home. I can deal with the exterior in the short term but I hate painted woodwork. This being my first comment please be kind regarding my question. How much would it cost to strip the woodwork on the first floor?

    • John Shiflet says: 5363 comments

      Welcome to the discussion, Monte. I think a figure for labor of $25-50 per hour per person would be realistic. If testing showed lead paint (likely) then specialty equipment and hazmat procedures would be applicable and the costs much higher. Probably most practical and least expensive would be for the homeowner, well experienced in the use of heat stripping, to carefully remove the paint layers using a heat stripping tool followed by a liquid stripper clean up down to bare wood. Heat stripping comes with fire risks as well as the risk of damaging wood by scorching the surface so should only be used after much experience and strict safety procedures. The newer lower temperature infrared heat tools might be safer but they too are not without some risks. For a novice, best to use a liquid stripper exclusively. I personally like 3-M’s “Safest Stripper” because its citrus based and low odor. On the other hand, it is relatively expensive, messy, and works slowly but clean up is with water and/or a solvent like denatured alcohol. (flammable so use caution as well as good ventilation) If a decision is made to strip the woodwork inside best to do it before moving in-it is messy with a capital “M”. But the esthetic results should be worth the effort. Hope that gives you an idea of the process.

      • Monte' Mcknight says: 2 comments

        Thanks John that really gives me a good idea of cost. I knew that it was possible. I grew up listening to mom talk about striping paint off the fireplace and woodwork in our first home. But this place has a lot more paint.

  15. debbie says: 15 comments

    A previous owner’s wife was dying of cancer and he painted the house pink for her, but the color ordered was supposed to be more muted. The house sits on the crescent by the Oswegatchie River that empties into the St. Lawrence River. Ogdensburg, NY still has absolutely stunning homes, but many historic buildings and homes were torn down for “urban renewal” in the 70’s. To this day, that angers residents. There has been major clean up along the shore making it usable again. This house has sold and it will be restored to its original beauty. Ogdensburg is rich with history and yes, the economy has taken its toll, but there are loads of beautiful buildings/homes remaining.

  16. Lilibet says: 12 comments

    I want to cry and drink. OH! That poor interior!!

  17. Shawn says: 24 comments

    I hope I don’t offend anyone or make anyone upset, because I have learned so much from the great people here, but sometimes it seems that there are some harsh comments about houses that are very beautiful and well worth saving. I would be overjoyed to live in a house like this, painted woodwork or not. I would rather live in a house like this with so much charm and elegance and, yes, painted woodwork, than to ever live in a new, soul-less cookie-cutter house. I think to call this house “ruined” is a bit silly and I’d be more than happy to call this home. Just my thoughts.

    • JimHJimH says: 4948 comments
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      Shawn, I think most folks here would agree that this house is well worth preserving and not beyond help by any means. Compared to so many we see on the site with intact original details this one has been seriously defaced, which brings out anger and rebuke towards prior owners. No doubt better than most modern boxes, it would be hard to live here without imagining the beauty lost, and the effort and expense required to bring it back is daunting if not prohibitive.

      • Shawn says: 24 comments

        You’re right, Jim. I, too, wish that so many of these homes could be spared the indignity of the remuddling that most of them suffer. I just look at it from the aspect of wanting a Victorian home so badly and not being able to do so. I would love to bring some life to a house like this. Again, I hope I didn’t sound harsh or anything. There are so many wonderful people on this site and I have learned so much about these wonderful homes.

  18. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11890 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    New price, new agent and new photos! $134,900, new photos replaced old ones. All the junk was removed and now we can actually see the house.

  19. Kathy says: 4 comments

    I am very confused. The staircase with the wrought iron railing and the stone fireplace seem very much 50’s. Then the kitchen looks as tho it used to be the front entryway. The door is massive with a large sidelight. The stairs in the “kitchen” look like the main stairs. Very curious.

    • JimHJimH says: 4948 comments
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      Kathy, it is confusing, and a little sad.
      The fireplace stonework matches the original on the exterior, so that’s been there from the beginning. The 1st and 2nd interior photos show the front door and adjacent main staircase. The stone fireplace is to your left as you enter, so the entry hall altogether was quite grand! Unfortunately the stair is missing much of its original woodwork.
      The kitchen may have been in the basement originally and they chose to use the rear entry/stairhall area to relocate it. The other options may have been less attractive, like building an addition or using/dividing one of the larger rooms. They could have created an interesting kitchen space there IMO without the hung ceiling and all the white paint.
      There are some tough decisions for the new owners here – maybe we’ll get to see what they’ve done some day.

  20. Tiernan W. Smith says: 2 comments

    As the new owner of the home, I’ve put off commenting on here since about August. The Interior has been under full scale restoration for nearly 6 months now, ALL of the millwork on the first floor has been stripped, All the plaster walls on the first floor have been fully repaired and finished to perfection. The hardwood floors have been completely stripped of their beeswax finish, and been completely refinished with a rich mahogany color. The home has been refinished to such a high standard that my Fiancé/new-wife and I were married in the home on January 1st and hosted 125 guests with room to spare. As for the exterior paint, … well, that will have to wait for much warmer weather, and although it’s quite an off-putting color scheme, it wont be staying that way for to much longer. Additionally, for all those that are under the impression that this is a Victorian style home, congratulations, … you’re wrong. This is in fact a Richardson Romanesque style residence. I have researched it extensively and through historical documents discovered the Architect of record. The home took several years to construct and was completed in 1891. Let not your hearts be troubled, the home is in good hands.

    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11890 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      “ALL of the millwork on the first floor has been stripped…” That must have been a monstrous undertaking!

      Congratulations on buying the house and the wedding! 🙂

      • Tiernan W. Smith says: 2 comments

        Thank You,
        Yes it’s been quite an undertaking, and photos hardly due the changes any justice.

  21. John Shiflet says: 5363 comments

    Congratulations, Tiernan, on taking on the house and marriage. I think its the kind of house you could be comfortable in until old age. Yes, it is a mix of Queen Anne, Shingle and (Richardsonian) Romanesque (after the great 19th century architect Henry H. Richardson.) “Victorian” is a term for houses built essentially from the 1840’s to 1900 (bracketing the reign of Queen Victorian 1837-1901) As for formal Victorian styles…you have Gothic Revival, Italianates, Second Empires, Stick Style, Queen Anne, Romanesque, Shingle, and Colonial Revival- when no other label fits, call it Eclectic. If I may, I’m curious to learn who the architect was for your home as it was quite progressive for its time. It reminds me somewhat of the work of Syracuse architect James H. Kirby (1844-1893) who published several residential plan books during his career. I hope you’ll share some “after” photos showing the beautiful woods behind the paints. Here’s wishing you the best as you and your spouse preserve this fine period home.

  22. Parker Murray says: 1 comments

    Hi my name is parker I live in this house and I saw your comments and thought the same when i didn’t live in this house now I live in this house and it is asome we have fixed the white and behind the ugly white wose butiful wood work and now we have fixed a lot and the kitchen and is a lot newer nicer more amazing and asome I mean a lot better thene it was. Also we have coolerd the bedrooms better and put a lot of time and effort and usually there always bizy so I and my brother have to play whith each other which means to me that I can’t really talk and play games whith my mom and my step dad but it’s ok.cocnlusion I think it’s a asome house and hope others do to good work takes time.

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