October 30, 2020: Link Exchange

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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 938 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    I’m recycling last Friday’s image because our electricity has been out since Thursday 6am. Hurricane Zita(?) has made a mess of our area, north Georgia, trees and power lines. Hopefully sometime today it’ll be restored! Of course, I’ve been saying that since yesterday afternoon… My internet is too slow to include all last weeks images so it’s just the one. If you eventually see new posts, power has been restored.

    edit: I’m back!!!!! So eventually today…posts!

    Edit edit: and our internet is now down….freaking he…

    edit edit edit: Back! I’ll try to get posts up today (Sat.) but there’s a lot of admin stuff to catch up on.

    edit times four: Nope. Still having internet issues so Sat. isn’t looking good. Maybe Sunday?

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    • ChrisICUChrisICU says: 672 comments

      I’m nearby and had the same problem. Power on and then four transformers blew so had to wait some more. But all Ok now. Happy Halloween y’all! Have my candy chute done, my address loaded on next door, and ready to socially distantly hand out candy.

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    • TheDaringLibrarianTheDaringLibrarian says: 174 comments
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      Coastal Cottage

      OhMyWord, Kelly! Take care of yourself, your fam, your house, and don’t worry!
      We’re not going anywhere.

      Isn’t it funny though? We bloggers (or site managers) have a lot of internal guilt for posting. I haven’t blogged much since I started virtually teaching last spring. Because seriously, I doubt members here, once they realize you’re fighting the effects of tropical storm Zeta, are tapping their feet wondering why oh why doesn’t Kelly post? LOL

      Zeta just blew past our Coastal Delaware Beaches….Wow! Still pretty strong. I’ve also got my weather eye on tropical storm Eta forming Saturday night in the Caribbean Sea. Grrrr…enough already.

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      • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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        1901 Folk Victorian
        Chestatee, GA

        Trying again today, same problems with dropping signal and impossible low upload. Ugh. But we had to go resupply our fridge/freezer and there was a lot of evidence of trees that were down, I’m surprised they got things turned on so fast (for us it was 26 hours.) Maybe the internet will be back to normal soon.

        • RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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          Tucson, AZ

          It was just the old software manager in me trying to help troubleshoot bugs!

          Kelly, keep your phones charged & go do real life. In the meanwhile the rest of us can “play quietly among ourselves”. After all, your site that keeps us sane, so it’s the least we can do to not add stress on you, particularly during a natural disaster!!

          • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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            1901 Folk Victorian
            Chestatee, GA

            LOL I’ve kept my phone plugged up the entire time the power has been back on. It was down to battery banks and car charges to keep us sane!

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  2. SonofSyossetSonofSyosset says: 109 comments
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    1798 Federal/Georgian
    East Dennis, MA

    Hope your power gets back soon. Yikes!

    Westwood Manor is a 1739 gambrel on 31 acres in Charlotte Hall, Maryland—so right on the Charles County-Saint Marys County line near La Plata—asking $925,000. From the listing: “Craftsmanship and historic detailing abound in this unique home, with original wood floors, chair railing, ornate wood paneled fireplaces, exquisite dentil molding, two staircases, charming sunroom and a primary bedroom suite with private porch. Set far back and out of sight from the road, modern life seems distant from Westwood Manor’s peaceful perch and the ageless fields embrace its inhabitants with the alluring simplicity of a bygone era.” The brickwork is in Flemish bond with some glazing to the headers—seen on quite a few mid-18th century houses in Maryland and Virginia—though the newel post appears to be a Greek Revival addition.

    The second link is an overview from 2003 of the property and its historic significance.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10690-Allens-Fresh-Rd-Charlotte-Hall-MD-20622/36710333_zpid/?utm_campaign=iosappemail&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=emailshare

    https://mht.maryland.gov/secure/medusa/PDF/Charles/CH-151.pdf

    And interesting to compare this listing to one Kelly posted earlier this week in Owings Mills, Maryland:

    https://www.oldhousedreams.com/2020/10/27/atamasco-in-owings-mills-md/

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    • natira121natira121 says: 693 comments
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      1877 Vernacular
      Columbia River Gorge, WA

      Speaking of Atamasco, which I adore, I have a question to pose to fellow OHDr’s.

      This comes about due to my reading through the NHP stuff on Atamasco and discovering that one of the outbuildings is slave quarters. It’s not mentioned by the realtor. A friend of mine said she found it “creepy” to have slave quarters, and another friend said she would “sage the hell out of it, and leave it alone, forever”.

      If you owned (or considered buying) a house which included slave quarters on the grounds, what would you do?

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      • MichaelMichael says: 2666 comments
        1979 That 70's show
        Otis Orchards, WA

        If it was mine, I’d follow your friends advise and leave it alone. It’s part of history. Are we going to be so sensitive that we erase the part of history that we don’t agree with or are offended with? Perhaps leaving it in place will be a good reminder we still have a ways to go to insure equality for everybody!

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      • BethanyBethany says: 3429 comments
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        1983 White elephant
        Escondido, CA

        I think that I would maintain it as a historical building and give anyone who asked as much of the history as possible. It seems to me that would be the most respectful to the stories of the slaves who lived there.

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      • Barbara VBarbara V says: 1060 comments
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        1800 cottage
        Upstate, NY

        Julie, my house was originally built around 1800 as slave quarters for the local patent holder, Augustine Prevost. It was remodeled in the 1920’s to reflect the fashion of the time, with hardwood floors and extensive chestnut woodwork and built-ins. I had been looking for quite awhile before finding it, because nothing else “felt right”, but this did. At that time I didn’t know it’s history.

        I’m convinced that somewhere along the way, it picked up some positive karma, and has held on to it since. If in doubt, though, I’d “sage” the whole place as well, and then proceed to make positive memories…

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        • natira121natira121 says: 693 comments
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          1877 Vernacular
          Columbia River Gorge, WA

          Barbara,

          Do you ever get people who are upset at the notion that you live in ex slave quarters? I suppose it’s a bit different for you in the East, there being houses w/ quarters around… here we don’t have that, so people here don’t think about it much, and are put off when they do.

          Personally, it wouldn’t bother me unless it bothered me. At the risk of sounding “out there” (and yeah, I am a bit *grin*) I have visited historical places that I had no reaction to, but I have also been in some that I literally could not stay in, and had to leave, quickly.

          That being said, if I happened to have a place with slave quarters I would maintain it, and like Bethany said, use it for educating and I think especially when it’s uncomfortable to some, and even offensive. As Michael pointed out, we shouldn’t erase history. I am a very firm believer in that.

          What surprised me with my one friend…. she seemed appalled at the idea of keeping something around that has a painful past. When I asked her if she thought we should have torn down the remains of Auschwitz she got a bit sheepish, and admitted that it’s a difficult question. Honestly, I don’t think she’d thought about it much prior to my asking, which is why I wanted to pose the question here.

          Thanks to all three of you for your responses

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          • Sandy BSandy B says: 797 comments
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            2001 craftsman farmhouse
            Bainbridge Island, WA

            Julie….I’d protect and preserve it. I have visited a few in Virgina and was moved by them. Certainly a significant piece of our history. I personally find your friend’s thoughts out of the ordinary. Of course that comes from my architectural/cultural history background. Same reason I’d treasure and care for an old family graveyard on a property. Thanks for the question….good one!

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          • Barbara VBarbara V says: 1060 comments
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            1800 cottage
            Upstate, NY

            Julie, I’ve never had a negative reaction. In my mind, it’s like any other history – lots of places have been a part of good things and bad things. Actually, I envision my little place as having been a place of goodness, even if the circumstances were not acceptable, then or now. I imagine people being here at home after a long day of working hard – albeit for the benefit of others – and this being a place of respite for a brief interlude before another hard day began.

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      • ddbackerddbacker says: 484 comments
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        1971 Uninspired split-level
        Prairie Village, KS

        Terrible relics from our shameful past – they should be preserved forever as reminders. They reconstructed the slave quarters at Monticello. It’s all part of the story.

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      • Anne M.Anne M. says: 899 comments
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        1972 raised ranch.
        Hopkinton, MA

        It’s an interesting question as I am a big supporter of historic preservation but I would not own a place that slave quarters or that I knew kept people enslaved. I think we do need to preserve these spaces as sites of education and memory but own it myself? no.

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      • I wouldn’t buy one. For me these places have serious issues involving slave labor, heinous racism and cruelty. Its akin to living at a site of unspeakable crimes involving slavery, rape and torture. America has had a very “white washed” romantic notion of slavery thanks to such fairy tales as Gone With the Wind and Uncle Remus. The institution destroyed families, murdered tens of thousands and caused enormous suffering. The privileged exploited the vanquished for their advancement, comfort and status. While egregious: It’s nothing to hide. Slave quarters should be preserved and honored. The homes are built on the broken bones of children and exploited people. I’m sorry but they are historical and important but tainted with obscene cruelty. Use them as history lessons like Battlefields, Auchwitz or Prison.

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        • Barbara VBarbara V says: 1060 comments
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          1800 cottage
          Upstate, NY

          Jimmer, what about what our country did to the Native Americans? Without making a quantitative value judgement, one could argue that this was equally heinous – how do we then reconcile ourselves to living on their lands?

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          • In my college years I volunteered full time for the Southwest Indian Foundation. Your observation is simplistic. Native Americans are not monolithic. Depending on the tribe some were nomadic, semi-nomadic, others pueblo and all clan and tribal. No I don’t live in Pueblos. Some nations had peaceful treaties and sold lands. Most were abused by government and white land speculators. Forced labor wasn’t successful because they would usually die in captivity. Families were not usually torn apart except by abusive boarding school systems. Lacking immunity thousands died. Their land is pejorative because most really didn’t have “land ownership” in your English Common law understanding. If you need to reconcile find your local tribe. This is also a response in a message board which isn’t the best place to discuss Native tribes and reparations.

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            • respectthishouserespectthishouse says: 73 comments
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              sweet 50s ranch Nashville, TN

              Caroline Randall Williams has an excellent recent NYT opinion piece regarding being the descendant of slaves and masters via rape, in her case Edmund Pettus of bridge fame/infamy.

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      • CateCate says: 251 comments
        OHD Supporter

        Milwaukee, WI

        I’d leave it alone and let it be what it is–a part of our history.

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    • messengerjsmessengerjs says: 38 comments
      Salisbury, MD

      Looks pretty perfect for someone I know….ahem.

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    • Angie boldly going nowhereAngie boldly going nowhere says: 580 comments
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      Gorgeous property with 31 acres of land. I LIKE it!! Maryland appears to have some interesting houses as well as ME, VT, CT.

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    • TheDaringLibrarianTheDaringLibrarian says: 174 comments
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      Coastal Cottage

      I’m a Marylander and I gotta say …cost of living is high and so are our taxes.

      Both those areas have pluses and minuses. That’s why I’m retiring to the beach in Delaware. NO sales tax in DE and low property!

      But gosh darn those two properties sure are pretty!

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  3. JosephJoseph says: 421 comments
    1790 Northborough, MA

    Not for sale, in fact it appears to be gone.

    https://www.oldhousedreams.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/QVChouse-1.jpg

    I took the photo several years ago, on a trip to Winterthur etc. I was going along the Baltimore Pike between Concordville and Media, and saw this empty stone farm house. It appeared to be surrounded by the Franklin Mint complex. I’d keep checking google maps every so often to see if it was still there – and this year, when I was photoshopping it for Halloween, I couldn’t find it. Apparently the defunct Franklin Mint complex has been razed, including this building, and will be a housing development. Even without my image manipulation it had a spooky look.

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  4. I like this beautiful, large 1795 colonial in Ipswich, MA for a cool $1.7M. The listing says it was owned by the author John Updike and the artist Mary Weatherall. I love the library, the floors, the windows, and of course, the location. It also comes with nearly 7 acres. Ipswich is a beautiful historic area, but this house is extra special.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/66-Labor-In-Vain-Rd-Ipswich-MA-01938/56928749_zpid/

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  5. Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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    1936 Cabin

    Happy Friday All! Kelly I am glad you got your electricity back too.
    Here is what I found of interest this week:

    1950, Glenview, IL, 1,695,000

    Frank Lloyd Wright on 3 acres that hugs the land it lives on. A favorite view is slide 3, an end view of the home with an interesting angled roof line. Inside, a peaceful space with sunken living room, flagstone floor, patterned cut-outs in block walls that bring in light, and lots of natural wood. I would love to play house here.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1544-Portage-Run-Glenview-IL-60025/3349551_zpid/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emo-SendToFriendHDP-image&rtoken=2580e3a9-a861-4419-b7b4-931d8faeabb6~X1-ZUveo4kiegi2h5_46au8

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  6. Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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    1936 Cabin

    1888, Pittsburgh, PA, 2,500,000

    H.H Richardson stone block mansion, interior has been painted (pooh). A few interesting fireplaces, I am intrigued by the design of the green tiled dining room fireplace. Commercial kitchen as this has been used as a B&B. I like the decorative leaded windows in the first bedroom shown.

    https://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/this-old-pittsburgh-house-the-boggs-legacy/
    https://www.pittsburghbeautiful.com/2017/11/06/history-of-the-boggs-mansion/

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/604-W-North-Ave-Pittsburgh-PA-15212/2103079585_zpid/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emo-SendToFriendHDP-image&rtoken=b67d2221-6a86-40a2-bb29-1ae86cdd40f0~X1-ZUveo4kiegi2h5_46au8

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  7. Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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    1936 Cabin

    1929, Rochester, NY, 725,000

    From the listing: “Spectacular example of “Georgian Revival” architecture. This 5-Bay all brick home was carefully researched by original owner, Albert K. Chapman (Dr. Chapman was the 6th President of Eastman Kodak Company). He hired Architect HH Bohacket to design the home that was built in 1929 by Werner Spitz.”
    Such a classy house

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/810-Allens-Creek-Rd-Rochester-NY-14618/31024160_zpid/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emo-SendToFriendHDP-image&rtoken=838cf1aa-31ec-474c-a4cb-7d75688097ce~X1-ZUveo4kiegi2h5_46au8

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  8. Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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    1936 Cabin

    1885, Saratoga Springs, NY 3,000,000

    Large North Broadway mansion, elegant interior staircase and entry with stained glass fireplace and paneling. Lovely dining room and check out the ceiling

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/605-N-Broadway-Saratoga-Springs-NY-12866/2099923492_zpid/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emo-SendToFriendHDP-image&rtoken=6612c4df-2198-43fa-96a9-0ebcd8e99fd0~X1-ZUveo4kiegi2h5_46au8

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    • ChrisICUChrisICU says: 672 comments

      Is it a remodel or infill? I have a friend build a modern townhome in Richmond on an empty lot and people insist it was a remodel.

      • Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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        1936 Cabin

        I do not know. My education on the subject is more curiosity. We had one on here a year or so ago where a Victorian was renovated with a modern interior, modern to the 60’s or 50’s. It was interesting even though you morn the original interior.

        • Lancaster JohnLancaster John says: 864 comments
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          1875 Victorian Farmhouse
          Lancaster, PA, PA

          I would guess an infill from the late 60’s or 70’s. It’s possible they started with an existing home and gutted it but if so it looks like a near-total rebuild to me. I like it. If I had to live in a small rowhouse in a big city, this would be an appealing choice.

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  9. Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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    1936 Cabin

    1883, Chicago, IL, 6,700,000

    Large brick home with a slate roof and some decorative trim. Interior has lots of beautiful decorative woodwork. A number of beautiful lights and stained glass too.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/522-W-Deming-Pl-Chicago-IL-60614/3725119_zpid/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emo-SendToFriendHDP-image&rtoken=8a8a367c-d566-4313-86c8-2ced5f8e715a~X1-ZUveo4kiegi2h5_46au8

    I look forward to what every one has to share. Cheers!

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    • RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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      Tucson, AZ

      This one has a lovely, “tailored” style. Very nice updates, including the marble sink (not just a countertop) in the butler’s pantry. The preserved details are downright scrumptious — the ceiling medallion, all the stained glass and woodwork, the light fixtures, etc. It works as a whole and exudes (& induces?) calm & confidence.

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  10. Barbara VBarbara V says: 1060 comments
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    1800 cottage
    Upstate, NY

    This looks familiar, so has most likely been shared before – if so, hopefully it merits a repeat. It’s a pretty Queen Anne overlooking the Hudson River in New Baltimore, NY, for $397,900. The exterior would benefit from proper siding, but the interior makes up for it:
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/979-Route-144_New-Baltimore_NY_12124_M90444-17125

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  11. briteyesbriteyes says: 75 comments
    Cottonwood / Millcreek, UT

    1973 Vintage in Cali for $4.5 mill. Not the most stunning house in my opinion, but the VIEW!!! that is worth the money.

    https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-83952-ghdx2g/7350-highway-1-little-river-ca-95456

    Here is a 1913 Vintage in Kansas City, MO. $5.5 Mill. I just fell in love with this one for some reason, maybe its FLW Ennis house vibe, not sure.

    https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-85191-bdrycg/1200-west-55th-street-kansas-city-mo-64113

    I haved saved the best for last. Pittsburgh PA, A steal at $3.48 Mill. Does not have a build date on the site, but i read somewhere it was around 1880+. The extent of renovation this house went under is incredible, i could not even begin to estimate, but i am sure it was WAY more than the sell price. I got a bruise on my jaw when it hit the floor after looking at this place, i am still DROOLING! Hope you all enjoy.

    https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-83061-76m97f/5501-elgin-steet-highland-park-pittsburgh-pa-15206

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    • natira121natira121 says: 693 comments
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      1877 Vernacular
      Columbia River Gorge, WA

      The Pittsburg house does not disappoint! Wow! (And I think I said that at least a dozen times while looking at the pictures) Those first two bathrooms are just glorious! The annunciator! And the pool room…. just awesome! Even the kitchen!

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    • Randy CRandy C says: 426 comments
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      2015 Reverse Ranch 1/2
      Olathe, KS

      Wow, thanks for these shares. You really found some great ones (for dreams only). The Kansas City house has a plethora of beautiful glass. You are right about the Pittsburgh home, it’s a jaw dropper for sure. I simply can’t imagine how anyone could give up living in a place like that. Thanks much for a very uplifting afternoon!

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    • Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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      1936 Cabin

      wonderful posts, thank you. I do love the California location above the house too. I like the formal garden juxtiposed against the wild cypress backdrop and all those lovely views of the water from the house, soooo special. The Pittsburgh I feel I have seen before, namely because of all the elephant ear plants around the porch, but I do not remember that wealth of pictures going along with it. The Kansas City I remember, again more pictures than I remember.

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    • RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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      Tucson, AZ

      I think I heard the cherubs on the ceiling of that Pittsburgh house singing, “ah-AAAAHHHHH” through sunbeams when I opened the photos of the Kansas City house!

      I have been a mad lover of old houses for 50 years now, but I never knew of this style or its architect before. Kinda like FLW with flourishes! It makes me giddy, like I want to write Louis Curtiss’s name in my locker with hearts all around it 😍 Looking at this house is my idea of a perfect Friday night “date”! Thank you!

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    • SharonSharon says: 339 comments
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      2001 Contemporary
      Sedalia, MO

      The KC house reaches such a rare level of artistry-meeting-architecture that it seems it would serve perfectly as some public space: gallery or conference hall or hosting residence or something that would allow this to be shared with the world. “Welcome to Kansas City! We’ll be ‘putting you up’ at the Curtiss Home. Enjoy your stay.” This place is too amazing for just one person to own…….unless that person is ME!

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    • Angie boldly going nowhereAngie boldly going nowhere says: 580 comments
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      Is the 1973 Vintage as close to the edge of the cliff as it appears to be in Photo No. 46? A heavy rainfall could cause a bit of a washout although I guess it must be safe enough considering it’s been there since — when? Yes, 1973. Certainly the location gives new meaning to “perched on the edge of a cliff”. The view is, of course, amazing.

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    • Angie boldly going nowhereAngie boldly going nowhere says: 580 comments
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      The 1913 Vintage in Kansas City, MO is a knockout!!!! Love the red roof, the abundance of wood and glass, and that gorgeous kitchen. I’ve gone through the pics three times thus far and each time I’m more envious of the person(s) who will eventually buy it. Lucky people!

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    • Angie boldly going nowhereAngie boldly going nowhere says: 580 comments
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      The Pittsburgh PA house was on this site before as Rosewater has already indicated. The realtors are using the same video (and why not, eh? It was mighty interesting the first time I saw it!) When I first saw this house we were snowed in after our worst blizzard in years and there I was looking with envy at the sunshine in the video and pics of this splendid house.

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  12. JulieJulie says: 352 comments
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    1997 1 storey contemporary

    Kia Ora from New Zealand,

    I am absolutely delighted to be home after 3 1/2 months in the hospital and interim care at an aged care facility as I recovered from a fractured tibia. I was discharged a week and a half ago and have already progressed from a walking frame to using a cane. I hope I never go through that again!!!

    “Broadgreen”, an 1880’s Heritage New Zealand Category 2 Victorian homestead in Rangiora, a town north of Christchurch in the South Island. It is for auction and has a valuation of $US859,957.00.

    https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/property/residential/sale/canterbury/waimakariri/rangiora/listing/2830798008

    “The Birches”, a 1907 Edwardian home in East Taieri near Dunedin in the South Island.

    ” A winding staircase, detailed wood paneling, oak floors and rich wallpaper creates a tangible warmth and soul to the property. ”

    Buyers over US$1,454,818.00 should inspect.

    https://www.ljhooker.co.nz/2NQGGDS/101-gladstone-road-south-east-taieri-mosgiel

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    • Lancaster JohnLancaster John says: 864 comments
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      1875 Victorian Farmhouse
      Lancaster, PA, PA

      Hi Julie, so glad to hear you’re mending! I’m wondering if you can shed some light on why prices are so high in New Zealand? Move-up buyers who have owned for many years are probably OK, but what do young people do who have not yet built equity? I’m sure you are featuring special properties, which would be more expensive, but what would you say is a typical price for a starter home? I have heard (but I may be mistaken) that in Switzerland, where property prices are very high, you can get 100 year mortgages which keeps payments lower (at the cost of basically never owning your home). I think if I were a young Kiwi I would despair at ever being able to afford to own a home.

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      • JulieJulie says: 352 comments
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        1997 1 storey contemporary

        Thank you.

        Housing prices are very expensive in New Zealand. A fairly basic new home in my neck of the woods will set you back NZ$800K. There are of course cheaper areas of the country to buy houses in but they would still be expensive by American standards and employment opportunities are not so good in those places.

        My own home is a one storey contemporary built in 1997 and about 1600 square feet in size. We have lived in it over 20 years and paid $NZ375K at the time but it is now valued at $1.3 million.It’s nice enough but nothing grand. As it was a gift, we owe nothing and when my husband retires we can sell at a huge profit and move to a cheaper part of the country where we can buy or build a very nice home for a lot less and have plenty left over to live comfortably on.

        And despite the economic impact of the virus, our real estate market is red hot. NZ’ers just really have a thing about owning a home. For me, a home is a sanctuary and it is of great personal value but to many people here it is a way to make money which is why Kiwis tend to not live in a place very long before they sell it and move on to something better. There is also a lot of investors who can easily outbid those young couples. Many investors were from overseas, especially China, where they could get 0 interest loans from the government but our government put a stop to that and limited their purchases to one apartment (if they were not residents of NZ). That has helped.

        Building materials are also expensive because of the economies of scale and little competition.

        Young people trying to buy homes is absolutely heartbreaking especially because many homes are sold via auction or sealed bids. They simply get outbid by the aforementioned investors or older people. A lot of young people are having to get help from the Bank of Mom and Dad.

        The banks are offering encouraging and easier lending conditions but the prices almost cancel that out.

        Having said all of that, young people tend to want to buy in the trendy areas which are of course more expensive. They also want to continue their lifestyle of frequently dining out, travelling, having a nice car, etc. If they were to cut back on their personal expenses and start out with a home in the cheaper areas they could eventually end up where they want to be.

        It’s not an entirely hopeless situation. There are alternative such as buying a home that is for removal (and you can get those for like $Z25K and having it moved to a piece of land) or starting out in a cheaper and less desirable area, living in it for a few years and then selling it at enough profit to move on to somewhere better. Or what a lot of younger people do is buy the house and then rent out bedrooms to help pay the mortgage.

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    • shafer8shafer8 says: 42 comments
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      1732 Cape Cod
      CT

      Here’s to a speedy and complete recovery! Glad that you are in good spirits. I’ve scanned these pages for a long time w/out having joined. I’ve appreciated your posts from way over there.

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      • JulieJulie says: 352 comments
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        1997 1 storey contemporary

        Thank you – I am doing well considering I spent all that time in a bed. I did a lot of exercises to keep my muscles active which helped. I got the okay to weight bear on October 13 and two hours later I was walking with the assistance of a gutter frame and a few days later I progressed to a regular walking frame.I am no longer using the walking frame but I do use a cane for stability and because weakness plus Fibromyalagia makes it very tiring and painful to get around. But every day sees improvements and being home makes me so happy!!!

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    • Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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      1936 Cabin

      Julie, glad you are home again.

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    • Anne M.Anne M. says: 899 comments
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      1972 raised ranch.
      Hopkinton, MA

      Glad you’re home & sounds as if you are really making progress. Houses this week are great!

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    • SharonSharon says: 339 comments
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      2001 Contemporary
      Sedalia, MO

      Good thoughts and best wishes to you, Julie.

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    • Angie boldly going nowhereAngie boldly going nowhere says: 580 comments
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      Lovely news that you are at home now, Julie, and here’s hoping that you will continue to improve and never have to cope with anything like that again.

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  13. NonaKNonaK says: 250 comments
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    Austin, TX

    Just listed: 1896 Victorian – Louis Marx house – 1900 Storm Survivor – Galveston TX
    Inheriting my love of old homes, my daughter chose to stay in this house rather than one on the beach with friends for her 40th birthday last March. I stayed home and took care of fur babies, but she took me on a virtual tour, next best thing to being there. It’s on Sealy Street behind the Bishop’s Palace. Nice to see natural woodwork in a town that wants to make most things “beachy” with paint.

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1620-Sealy-St_Galveston_TX_77550_M78340-22162

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  14. https://www.iresis.com/cwa/link/listing?llid=4wqy1gvqv47&lid=1219503
    This home began life between 1920 and 1925 as Hereford school house on the Colorado prairie. It was designed by Chicago architect John Shellette Van Bergen who worked for Frank Lloyd Wright. Hereford school and it’s meadow have been used as a scrap metal yard, a farm storage building, and then recently rehabilitated.

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  15. https://www.iresis.com/cwa/link/listing?llid=4mffmd0d9x2&lid=1225475
    Built in 1899 in Ft. Lupton, Colorado. Over 1.5 acres of sweeping immaculate grounds, a gracious wrap around covered porch with swing, iconic roof line, a barn converted to a garage, a carriage house guest retreat and a place in the rolls of the National Historic Registry.

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  16. ChrisICUChrisICU says: 672 comments

    Eroth2020 posted a charming home in Ipswich MA and while I was looking at it I came across this one.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23-Newmarch-St-Ipswich-MA-01938/56927492_zpid/?

    For just under (a mere) 2.7M you get ‘ A 4.6± acre coastal estate with 650 feet of water frontage along the Ipswich River. The property encompasses a beautifully restored c1905 arts and crafts residence complete with today’s modern amenities’. I could live here forever.

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  17. Anne M.Anne M. says: 899 comments
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    1972 raised ranch.
    Hopkinton, MA

    1912 Colonial in Enfield CT $279,900. Lots of unpainted wood!
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1120-Enfield-St_Enfield_CT_06082_M43889-45522
    1926 Bungalow in Chicopee, MA $210,000 lots of charm!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/54-Watson-St-Chicopee-MA-01020/56156420_zpid/
    1930 Dutch Colonial in Greenfield, MA $285,000 lots of color!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/70-Hastings-St-Greenfield-MA-01301/56137150_zpid/

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  18. Anne M.Anne M. says: 899 comments
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    1972 raised ranch.
    Hopkinton, MA

    An 1845 stone house in Cavendish, VT $425,000
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/447-Center-Rd-Cavendish-VT-05142/303987434_zpid/
    1931 Tudor in Worcester, MA $678,000
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/27-Westwood-Dr-Worcester-MA-01609/56744088_zpid/
    1835 Greek Revival in Danby VT, 479,000 once the home of Pearl S. Buck!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/30-S-Main-St-Danby-VT-05739/220887723_zpid/
    1879 Italianate in Middletown Springs, VT $389,500 beautiful details!
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4-Park-Ave-Middletown-Springs-VT-05757/75453291_zpid/

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  19. Anne M.Anne M. says: 899 comments
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    1972 raised ranch.
    Hopkinton, MA

    Last but not least, 1850 Bennington VT mansion, $119,000 this would be a great place for a Halloween party & then you could spend your days bringing it back to its glory.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/234-Grandview-St-Bennington-VT-05201/75421078_zpid/

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  20. RosewaterRosewater says: 6689 comments
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    1875 Italianate cottage
    Noblesville, IN

    Happy Halloween everybody! 🙂

    https://www.oldhousedreams.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/halloween-1.jpg

    I have a few to share with y’all this week.

    Here’s a top-tier, post war, Jeffersonian Classical revival hybrid with really very good architecture and moderate scale; as well as lovely grounds; and a full compliment of very, very fine original details all in superb condition. Pity that the original kitchen doesn’t survive as I’m sure it was top notch as well.
    1957, Jeffersonian Revival mini estate / Indianapolis, IN / $4.5M
    https://www.movoto.com/indianapolis-in/5715-sunset-ln-indianapolis-in-46228/pid_2ygcl4rddh/for-sale/

    This one is just how we like them; and ready for someone to get creative. Madison is an exceptionally well preserved town in quite good condition. Two separate listings.
    National period and Italianate double, fixer / Madison, IN / $145K X2
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/214-W-2nd-St_Madison_IN_47250_M49514-78010
    —–
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/216-W-2nd-St_Madison_IN_47250_M49514-40744

    This house has been subject to three substantial phases it seems to me; and is quite interesting, on top of being lovely, and rather well presented.
    Lovely mutt / Tilton, NH / $550K
    https://www.movoto.com/tilton-nh/40-chestnut-st-tilton-nh-03276-300_70096290/for-sale/

    This one is off market. It’s a bit muddled beyond what I normally post; but it’s a super fine muddle; and is one of those rare old houses with a gorgeous contemporary, top-shelf interior which I myself find admirable with it’s comfy mix of modern, classic, and antique kit and finishes. The show stopper here though is the facade = WOW. The original iron work is just what you’d expect of a home like this in NOLA. I can’t remember seeing a front facade with a full length porch which has been enclosed on each end by floor to ceiling shutters like this. Back and side porches, yes; but not in front. IMO it’s a SUPER RAD look. Not quite sure if they are a contemporary solution for added spaces, or if they are period; just that they are for sure a remarkable feature either way.
    Italianate, raised planter’s cottage / New Orleans, LA / $1.3M
    https://www.redfin.com/LA/New-Orleans/1302-Jackson-Ave-70130/home/79368980

    Tomorrow is a full moon; and a blue one no less; so bear that in mind and proceed with caution and a steely soul as you enjoy the night’s revelry. 🙂

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  21. Sandy BSandy B says: 797 comments
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    2001 craftsman farmhouse
    Bainbridge Island, WA

    Lovely interview of James Ivory, filmmaker, with lush examples of his real film sets……especially for the Classicists among us.
    https://www.pbs.org/video/on-location-with-james-ivory-o8qddu/

    And speaking of Pietro Belluschi, as I mentioned in a former post: From Marion Dean Ross Society of Architectural Historians update,

    One tragic loss—Belluschi’s Thetford Lodge—reminds us of what we had.

    Annemarie van Roessel, Assistant Curator at The New York Public Library for the Performing Arts, wrote to me on September 14th to share some memories:

    I write to share the sad news that Thetford Lodge, the weekend home that my great-grandparents Charles and Blanche Sprague commissioned from Pietro Belluschi in 1947, was destroyed last week in the Santiam Canyon fire in Oregon. Thetford Lodge was a very modest entry in Belluschi’s job book, but it has been deeply significant for four generations of my family, as well as for the students, faculty, and staff at Willamette University after Charles and Blanche donated the property in 1963. Countless wonderful relationships and memories are rooted in that place. Our thoughts are very much with everyone in Oregon, Washington, and California who have lost family and property and who are enduring devastating hardships because of these fires. Although the Lodge is now gone, several years ago I helped my grandmother Martha Sprague, Charles and Blanche’s daughter, donate the working drawings, correspondence, and photos to Belluschi’s papers at Syracuse. Additional documentation for the commission exists in the Belluschi collection held by the Oregon Historical Society.

    On a personal note, the stories I heard growing up about Belluschi and my grandparents (who were friends and collaborators on other projects) certainly influenced me to follow my own career as an architectural historian. I was fortunate to visit Thetford several times with my family to appreciate Belluschi’s modern vernacular design and his sensitivity to the forest and river landscape and to my great-grandparents’ needs. Belluschi certainly created a retreat that served my Sprague family and the WU community tremendously well for over seven decades.

    Read more on this here: https://willamette.edu/news/library/2020/10/thetford-lodge.html and https://gaietyhollow.com/2020/09/18/a-week-of-devastation/.

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    • Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 1918 comments
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      1936 Cabin

      Sandy, thank you for the James Ivory documentary, I so love their work. So nice to hear him talk about the architecture involved in their movies. Very special. Big fan.
      I also have an Indian cookbook by Merchant in my collection, just a side note.
      I am so sorry for the loss of your family place. It speaks volumes to me as I have taken on our family cabin, with the history of, for example “first landing on the moon” inscribed in the my grandmother’s journal. It is all precious history. Thank you

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      • Sandy BSandy B says: 797 comments
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        2001 craftsman farmhouse
        Bainbridge Island, WA

        Kimberly, to clarify, the piece about Thetford Lodge wasn’t in connection to my family, but a letter written to the President of SAMDR (SOCIETY ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS MARION DEAN ROSS chapter) by Ms. van Roessel. I applaud you for your protection of the meaningful legacy of your family. I love hearing about your cabin…!!

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    • RosewaterRosewater says: 6689 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      Sorry for the loss of your family retreat, Sandy. 🙁

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      • Sandy BSandy B says: 797 comments
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        2001 craftsman farmhouse
        Bainbridge Island, WA

        Rosewater…..as I explained to Kimberly, The piece about Thetford Lodge wasn’t in connection to my family, but a letter written to the President of SAMDR (SOCIETY ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS MARION DEAN ROSS chapter) by Ms. van Roessel. Sorry for the confusion…..!

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    • Anne M.Anne M. says: 899 comments
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      1972 raised ranch.
      Hopkinton, MA

      I am so very sorry to learn that this wonderful lodge was destroyed though I am heartened to learn that the papers were previously archived.

  22. This is my 1881 home that I’m selling in Quincy Illinois. It is recently back on market after being sold in late July with a closing date of November, no fault if mine. See my Zillow listing for tons if great photos and a number to contact me if you have any questions or want to schedule a showing.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1654-York-St-Quincy-IL-62301/91313484_zpid/?utm_medium=referral

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  23. RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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    Tucson, AZ

    Classic 1933 cabin with a killer view. There’s a reason its address is Ocean View Drive even though it’s in the mountains! Comes with extra land that protects that vista. Bonus: TWO old stoves in the kitchen!

    Crestline, CA
    $450,000

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/24988-Ocean-View-Dr_Crestline_CA_92325_M14523-82960?cid=eml_shares_core_ldp_android

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    • RosewaterRosewater says: 6689 comments
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      1875 Italianate cottage
      Noblesville, IN

      Nice house with lovely patina inside and out. It’s always a triumph when lovely original wood like that has been spared the brush. Great kitchen! An antique, solid fuel range AND a top shelf, vintage Okeefe and Merritt can’t be beat! How interesting the way they permanently installed the Hoosier in with the fixed cabinetry. Never seen that before. TY!

      https://ap.rdcpix.com/2b31553174c3e712f5c4965f9674a4f2l-m3342560704od-w1024_h768.jpg

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    • natira121natira121 says: 693 comments
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      1877 Vernacular
      Columbia River Gorge, WA

      What a dream! I was curious about the linoleum in the kitchen…. it looks brand new, but it’s original! The view is just mind-blowing, and the place is just full of awesomeness. I cannot imagine selling it.

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      • Sandy BSandy B says: 797 comments
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        2001 craftsman farmhouse
        Bainbridge Island, WA

        Julie….suppose they’re worried about fire…?? Those California hills go up sooooo fast, and depending, it would be to heartbreaking to evacuate.

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        • natira121natira121 says: 693 comments
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          1877 Vernacular
          Columbia River Gorge, WA

          I thought of that. Thankfully, safe for now, but I can understand if they are selling it for that reason.
          It’s always so heartbreaking to see the devastation of fires, not only the gorgeous areas but the homes too.

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    • Crestline is a nice area. I have been watching homes there for a few years because my children live in the area. The view is most likely the city of San Bernadino, as Crestline is in the San Bernadino mountains. I am not sure if the recent forest fire (the one caused by a “gender reveal device”) has been completely extinguished yet or not. I would also check on home insurance rates if considering this, or any California or Colorado forest property as there have been significant rate increases in the past couple of years. That being said, this specific property is especially nice, generously sized compared to most homes/cabins in the area and has the best view I have seen although I don’t think you can see the ocean unless you have exceptional eyesight and a vivid imagination. Oh, one more thing I preferred the town of Crestline over Lake Arrowhead for it’s affordability. So, I am trying to say this correctly, I think Lake Arrowhead is where people with lots of money go and Crestline is more middle class and down to earth. Lake Arrowhead is nice to visit though and has good restaurants.

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  24. Here’s a circa 1835 house built at different times and added onto in 1835. It’s in Kentucky and is priced at $275,000. I like the brick work. It is listed at 5,280 sq. ft. with four bedrooms and three and a half bathrooms.

    https://www.zillow.com/homes/110-College-Street-Springfield,-Kentucky_rb/236623187_zpid/

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  25. Tony BianchiniTony Bianchini says: 56 comments
    Alvord, TX

    A cross section of interesting old houses from the south:

    1900, Senatobia, MS, $319.9K. Sharing for that porch:
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/208-Tate-St_Senatobia_MS_38668_M78220-90732

    1937, Weslaco, TX, $575K. Haven’t seen an art-deco house quite like this:
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/630-Moon-Lake-Dr-N_Weslaco_TX_78596_M79471-97727

    1850, Memphis, TN, recently reduced to $4M. Breathtaking masterpiece:
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1325-Lamar-Ave_Memphis_TN_38104_M70325-24582

    Video of it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYRtpsv9Q9c

    1853, West Point, MS, $298.5K. Lot of Antebellum house and grounds here (love the teaser shot of the roof of the carriage house/barn). Looks like the house was remodeled circa 1895. Love the patina:
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/102-E-Brame-Ave_West-Point_MS_39773_M82388-20236

    Anyway – I hope everyone finds something to dream about, I sure did.

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    • natira121natira121 says: 693 comments
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      1877 Vernacular
      Columbia River Gorge, WA

      The first house does have a nice porch, and I like the little breezeway addition to the garage.

      That Welasco Deco house is kinda schizo, isn’t it? But the tile floors are spectacular, as are the bathrooms! I love the columned and screened porch too… and the land!

      The Memphis house is like a movie set! And I love the brick with it’s paint fading patina.

      The last house…. could be a stunner, definitely. I really want to tear out all that carpet!

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      • RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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        Tucson, AZ

        The carpeting is all I would touch. And at that asking price, one could afford oriental carpets for all the rooms, as well as a groundskeeper for the 11 acres!

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    • RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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      Tucson, AZ

      The Weslaco house strikes me as slightly Tudor revival on the inside. The kitchen ceiling was a surprise! And the catwalk carpeting runways I’ve never seen before. Great bathrooms!

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    • RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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      Tucson, AZ

      That Memphis house is SPECTACULAR!!! Here’s the most stunning part of the listing: “Last Sold $550k in 2011”. So much blood, sweat, tears, cash, hopes, dreams, visions, frustrations, disappointments, and grand feats must have gone into re-creating this handsome home!

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    • Angie boldly going nowhereAngie boldly going nowhere says: 580 comments
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      My goodness!! The 1850 home in Memphis TN is certainly a “breathtaking masterpiece” and so awesome to have the video. I’m watching it over and over simply marvelling at how outstanding this house is, and rejoicing in the fact that the grounds are equally stunning. Thanks for posting this, Tony. It’s made my night. Now if I can drag myself away from this vision and see what else is on the site …

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  26. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
    Admin

    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    There’s a login problem when trying to check the “Remember Me” box. I’ve emailed the developer, it’ll probably be Monday before they get back with me to fix it. Sorry for the frustration.

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    • RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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      Tucson, AZ

      Kelly, Did you intend to send out an empty-of-listings 3-day newsletter, or is that another bug? Or a result of a power outage? What a jinxed Halloween weekend!

      • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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        1901 Folk Victorian
        Chestatee, GA

        It’s not empty, it has the link exchange post in it. But I’ve not been able to post houses since Wednesday. Power was out ALL day Thursday, came back on close to noon Friday, had internet for an hour or so, it went out until late that evening. Back on but it’s SO slow, it drops constantly, upload speed is 0.45 so I’m still unable to post houses…yeah, jinxed Halloween all the way.

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  27. messengerjsmessengerjs says: 38 comments
    Salisbury, MD

    My mother, who turns 80 next year, often reminisces about the summers she spent as a teen with her Aunt Esther and Uncle Bill at their “camp” in the Adirondacks. It was the ’50s and I think she and her girlfriends tanned and gossiped all day by the lake. ‘Lo and behold, Camp Watch Rock is now for sale. $3,350,000 in Long Lake, NY.; built 1898. I can’t afford to buy it for her, but I did reach out to the owners to see if they would rent it to us for a week next summer (if it’s not sold) as a surprise birthday present for my mother. Fingers crossed!
    https://www.adirondackestates.com/property/camp-watch-rock

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  28. Sandy BSandy B says: 797 comments
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    2001 craftsman farmhouse
    Bainbridge Island, WA

    What a romantically beautiful place. It reminds me of a book I bought and read recently, recommended by someone on OHD….THE BIG HOUSE by George Howe Colt. Wonderful read I totally immersed myself in. True memoir of the lives lived earlier around shingled summer houses in the East. I thank whoever it was that recommended it and sorry I cannot credit you here.

    https://www.amazon.com/Big-House-Century-American-Summer/dp/074324964X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1ZHLUXFNDNCGX&dchild=1&keywords=the+big+house+george+howe+colt&qid=1604195722&sprefix=the+big+house%2Caps%2C222&sr=8-1

    Good Luck Jane on the rental prospect…!!

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  29. DinahDinah says: 6 comments

    Not enough older homes for my taste in my neighborhood… but this one just came on the market. It belonged to the parents of a best friend from college. The last time I visited it still had a lot of its old charm. It has definitely been updated. Given what prices are like out this way, I doubt it will take long to sell.

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/M2283080011

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    • RanunculusRanunculus says: 108 comments
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      Tucson, AZ

      TASTEFULLY updated. ::sigh of relief::

      Really very nice — bright, open, clean, livable. So glad they kept that retro fireplace even though it wasn’t original.

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      • RosewaterRosewater says: 6689 comments
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        1875 Italianate cottage
        Noblesville, IN

        That fireplace is rad. Lovely property overall. The sight of palm trees makes me feel a little sad at this time of year. 😉 That house is blessed with some outstanding century plantings. Sigh..

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  30. 67drake67drake says: 271 comments
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    1993, hey I’m still looking! Boring
    Iowa County , WI

    Just curious if anybody knows of a good old house forum?
    I don’t know if everyone is on Facebook now, or what ?
    The one I used to go on- http://historichomeworks.com/forum/
    Is not really active. The most recent post is a month old.
    I just have a few questions about an old house I own, but need the ability to post a picture or two.
    Thanks for any leads

    • shafer8shafer8 says: 42 comments
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      1732 Cape Cod
      CT

      I can’t help, and in fact have the same general question. I find it hard to believe and disappointing there does not seem to be a forum for old house owners. Once the “dream” is achieved, there’s no forum to go to. And no — I’m not up to the task of starting one! How about posting the pics and questions here?

      • shafer8shafer8 says: 42 comments
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        1732 Cape Cod
        CT

        Interesting. I hadn’t heard of the linked site, kind of didn’t address the fact that there is a forum for old house owners — that apparently is not thriving. Anyway, I checked it out and the name John Leeke shows up as moderator, maybe founder? Name rang a bell, and sure enough he was an expert contributor to the magazine Old House Journal back in the glory days of magazines. So even he can’t get things going it seems. The site is clunky fwiw.

        • 67drake67drake says: 271 comments
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          1993, hey I’m still looking! Boring
          Iowa County , WI

          You cant post pictures on this site, just links to a 3rd party hosting site. If I get time after work, I’ll try to describe my questions here.

          • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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            1901 Folk Victorian
            Chestatee, GA

            You are able to upload photos via your profile (on OHD). Click on your profile then the photos link.There you are able to upload photos, add new album and follow the prompts to upload.

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            • 67drake67drake says: 271 comments
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              1993, hey I’m still looking! Boring
              Iowa County , WI

              Duh, I totally forgot about that! Thanks Kelly.
              So I posted a few pictures under “Avoca house” in my albums.
              The house is nothing special, it’s just a rental property I own on the next block from me. I would guesstimate that it was built 1880-1890.
              Anyway,It has 2 alcove openings built into the basement wall. My question is- what do you think these were made for? The house was before electricity and furnaces, so basement I would guess was maybe just coal storage, maybe. My GUESS is that it would be a safe spot to put a oil lamp if you were down in the basement. Anybody have ideas?
              Thanks!

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              • shafer8shafer8 says: 42 comments
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                1732 Cape Cod
                CT

                Believe it or not in my completely different house I have 2 alcoves in cellar! They match yours exactly. See my photos. And to be honest I haven’t thought much about them except a vague idea of “shelf” space. This house predates coal usage here. I like the idea of a place to put candle, oil lamp, but they are very close together, I’d expect them to be on opposite sides of cellar. Anyway, there must be lots of cellar alcoves out there?

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                • 67drake67drake says: 271 comments
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                  1993, hey I’m still looking! Boring
                  Iowa County , WI

                  Yes, very similar!
                  Mine are on the south and west wall, about 10’ away from each other. I figured with such a simple/plain house as mine they wouldn’t build them unless they had a specific use. That’s what got my curiosity going.

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                  • shafer8shafer8 says: 42 comments
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                    1732 Cape Cod
                    CT

                    Mine are east (actually the base of chimney) and north wall, right at the cellar stairs from inside house, which makes sense, what about yours?

                    • shafer8shafer8 says: 42 comments
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                      1732 Cape Cod
                      CT

                      I got that turned around — the east wall of foundation has alcove, and the south side of chimney footing has an alcove.

              • MJGMJG says: 2165 comments
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                CT

                My house I sold had two niches in the basement similar to this and was originally built for coal furnace and hot air into ductwork and vents in 1887. The niches had a lot of coal residue in them so I wondered if they put shovels and other dirty tools there. I also had a niche like this in the cold room where they stored food in jars etc.

                In 1880 and 1890 many homes had electricity and furnaces and even the tiniest of homes sometimes. Like today, it all depended on where you wanted to spend your money. Coal or wood furnaces were popular.

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                • MJGMJG says: 2165 comments
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                  CT

                  *Correction. Mistyped.
                  I had several niches in the basement, TWO were near the furnace, and three were in the cold room.

                  • 67drake67drake says: 271 comments
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                    1993, hey I’m still looking! Boring
                    Iowa County , WI

                    Thanks for the input!
                    By furnace I meant a gas operated forced air, which would need electricity I would think. Or a gravity hydronic hot water, but no signs of radiators ever being in this house. I would guess Heat was originally a wood burner stove on the main floor.
                    According to the old timers I’ve talked to, electricity wasn’t around my area till after 1937. I live in a rural area of SW Wisconsin.

                    • MJGMJG says: 2165 comments
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                      CT

                      Hi! There were a lot of homes heated by a stove to a chimney. Some books recommended a parlor stove with a vent in the ceiling to heat upstairs bedrooms.

                      They did have gas operated furnaces too. Some you light the flame with a match, and others had an electric starter switch. But electric then for these types of things meant battery operated like Door bells, call bells and fire alarms.
                      https://archive.org/details/DoYouBurnGas/page/n7/mode/2up?q=electric.

                      Yeah it could be possible electricity was a late comer to your rural neighborhood. Gas lamps were being manufactured for a long time to accomdoate folks with no electricity.

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  31. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    It doesn’t look like there were any subscriptions to this old post in Ohio, the new owner is replying to some comments (Rosewater, Karen B, Matt Z, as of now.) Just wanted to give a heads up on this one. 🙂
    https://www.oldhousedreams.com/2018/06/22/1911-columbus-oh/

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  32. Anne M.Anne M. says: 899 comments
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    1972 raised ranch.
    Hopkinton, MA

    I just spotted this really cozy cottage in Northampton, MA. The listing date says 1900, but the description says 1840. It is wonderful! $353,000.
    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/56-Laurel-St_Northampton_MA_01060_M37261-53737

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  33. AmyBeeAmyBee says: 700 comments

    A stone house with a stone barn and a stone mill in Martinsburg, WV for $1.65M.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1208-Bedington-Rd-Martinsburg-WV-25404/2083878622_zpid/

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  34. Hello everyone!
    Hope you are safe and healthy. My name is Denee and I have been an old house fanatic since I can remember. After looking for many years, all over the country, with a very small budget, I purchased an 1840 Greek Revival home in Jacksonville, IL. 620 W College Ave. I live in CA. And have been flying to IL non-stop to work on the house. I am so in love with it, but the truth is, it is SO MUCH WORK, that sometimes I feel overwhelmed!! I hired contractors to: lift up the basement joists, repair and re-glaze the windows, put a new roof on, tuck point, repair shoddy electrical, and so forth. We have painted 12-ft walls, repaired plaster, removed an repaired banister, and completely cut down a jungle of a garden. I feel like I could really use some support. Maybe some friends who have been through this….I would so much appreciate meeting some people who can relate. THANK YOU!!!!

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    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      Welcome Denee!!! Sounds like you are on your way with all that work so far done! It can get overwhelming but once you are in it, you tend to forget how you wanted to pull your hair out through the whole thing.

      Hope you don’t mind if I link to photos of your home on Zillow or give a small bit of info about your home:
      https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/620-W-College-Ave-Jacksonville-IL-62650/105673595_zpid/

      Your home is actually an Italianate (unless I linked the wrong house, the National Register form doesn’t give much info except for a c.1850 date.) The shape of it with the overhang fits Italianate along with the decorative window crowns (not all Italianate homes have the arched windows.) The porch is not original. Looking at old Sanborn maps, your porch was added before 1914 but whether it replaced the original porch I don’t know. Someone made some changes to your soffits at one point, there’s a chance your home originally had brackets although not all did. If you look at some of the other similar Italianate homes on your street/neighborhood, some may still have original brackets and original porches. Could have been simple brackets such as this one: https://goo.gl/maps/CTatHHEYDinsicUQ9

      Here’s an Italianate down the street, a little altered with the windows and the front porch posts are probably not original although the side porch looks like it may be: https://www.oldhousedreams.com/2019/01/11/c-1870-italianate-jacksonville-il/

      If anyone wants to add info to this, I’m sure Denee would enjoy it! Good luck with the rest, I’d say remember to breath but you probably won’t until it’s over! Keep us updated. 🙂

      1892 Sanborn:
      1892 Sanborn page 12

      1899 Sanborn:
      Sanborn page 7

      1914 Sanborn:
      1914 Sanborn page 15

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      • MJGMJG says: 2165 comments
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        CT

        I agree. Definitely screams more Italian villa.
        But wouldn’t you think the first floor woodwork has a Greek revival feel to it as well? A house with mix of styles?

        • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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          1901 Folk Victorian
          Chestatee, GA

          The woodwork on the inside is kind of typical for that era, we’ve seen it in both Greek Revival and pure Italianate houses.

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          • MJGMJG says: 2165 comments
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            CT

            Yeah I do agree, I just mean, that style of jutting out on the left and right (dont know the technical term as this isn’t my favorite style home, just one I like) is something you’d see more in in Greece maybe than Italy, in the sense that maybe the style derivative has a Greek flare but became a crossover design.

            Just somethin about that design on the top that juts out on the left and right. I attached a picture of it. I can’t seem to link to the photo in that house.
            https://www.kuikenbrothers.com/moulding-design-guide/greek-revival-moulding-package/

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            • MJGMJG says: 2165 comments
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              CT

              I’m also wondering if that is what made them think this was a Greek Revival rather than an Italianate. Even though the predominate design of the house is Italianate.

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      • Hello Kelly,
        Thank you SO MUCH for your information!! Actually, the original house (front) was built in 1840 (we found dated building materials) and the second half (rear) was built in 1858. Inside, it is easy to see where the two were blended together. There were 2 porches, but the front one was narrow just in front of the front door with a ‘railing’ (?) on top. Again, thank you so much for your support!!! Denee

      • Thank you all for the information and support!! I wish everyone well.

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    • respectthishouserespectthishouse says: 73 comments
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      sweet 50s ranch Nashville, TN

      Hello Denee! I am rooting for your house, but even more I am rooting for you. The sweetest wins come from the hardest battles. I have engaged in plenty and I look forward to engaging in one like yours xoxo

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  35. GABGAB says: 5 comments

    Hi Kelly! Firstly, I wanted to thank you for all the hard work you do on this site, I really appreciate it! It has provided countless hours of entertainment, information and knowledge. Now, after 26 years of labour, and countless dollars, the time has come to put my own baby up for sale;

    https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/22553256/306-east-broadway-road-merrickville-merrickville

    It was built in 1890. I know this because when the house was gutted due to past asbestos insulation, I found signatures from the men who built it and the dates signed on some of the baseboard backs, and the lathe used in the plaster walls. It was built for Hetty Pearson, by her father William, a local mill owner. He gifted this house to Hetty, and had another built for her sister Mary. Asking price is CAD $590,000.

    I hope it’s good enough to be featured on your fantastic website!

    Many thanks,

    George

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  36. NegExNegEx says: 1 comments

    1901
    Atlanta, GA
    599,000

    http://712elbert.com/

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  37. clasyklclasykl says: 57 comments

    For Kelly, I’ve looked at most, if not all, of the places on your site to find the info I want but to no avail. I didn’t realize I had a “profile” but if I click on clasykl, one comes up. Do I have to be a supporter to add photos? If I don’t, how do I download photos. I thought when I clicked on “download photos” a dialog box would come up for me to add a photo, but I received a message that there were no photos to download. Guess I’m still pretty computer illiterate about such things.

    Love the site and as you may remember your site was where we saw the house…almost 7 years ago…up for auction which we bought sight unseen from 2100 miles away. I will be becoming a supporter shortly.

    To jog your memory of the house, search 419 N. Anglin St, Cleburne, TX and all the listing photos are still there on Zillow. Phillip

    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      Nope, you can add photos! Go to your profile page, click “Photos”, then “New Album”, name your album title, click “+Add Photos” (don’t remember if you have to do it one at the time or can do multiple), the dialog popup will ask what folder on your phone or computer to upload from, click “Open” after you’ve selected the photos you want to add. After they upload, I don’t remember if you click the blue “Add” button or not, it should tell you save or add in blue. That should do it.

      Yes, I remember your home! Hope you are asking about photo uploads to share your progress! (Or not, it’s okay!) 🙂

      • clasyklclasykl says: 57 comments

        I can add photos of changes to house…no floor plan changes. Just wanted to see how it was done. On last week’s Link, I asked about distance from wall to wood kitchen stoves. I’ve uncovered more evidence and thought I’d add photo of kitchen wall.

        Mostly I wanted to see how to add photos. So now I have another question, can I add dialog to photo once it’s posted or when do I post dialog explaining the photo?

        • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 11874 comments
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          1901 Folk Victorian
          Chestatee, GA

          Yes, once you’ve loaded it you can click on your photo album you have uploaded to, hover your mouse over the photo to add caption and you’ll see a little pencil pop up in the top right hand side, click the pencil. There you can add your image caption.

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          • clasyklclasykl says: 57 comments

            Thanks, I’ll try it.

            • shafer8shafer8 says: 42 comments
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              1732 Cape Cod
              CT

              Hi. I saw the photo. It can be fun making discoveries while doing renovations. It’s possible there was a small gap between, say sheet metal, and the wood. Maybe spacers of some kind were glued to the wood rather than the actual heat shield. A small air gap is very effective at rapidly cooling the heat. A gap of 2″ I think is what is used today. Looks like a great place!

              • clasyklclasykl says: 57 comments

                Thanks, it is a great place. Other than the original upstairs bathroom being remodeled in circa 1995 along with the kitchen and enclosing a main level screened porch for a full bath, rear entry, and laundry, there have been no floor plan changes over the 112 years. It’s a typical 4-square.

                This all started because my wife said she wanted a new kitchen sink for Christmas, plus, new countertops…doesn’t like that they are black. We brought with us a white porcelain 66″ long sink that was on a steel Sears cabinet in my house in WA. It has two sink bowls and drainboards on each end. It doesn’t work in the space we have. However, relocating the gas range to the wall where the original wood stove was, allows me to use the sink and have additional countertop. That’s why I’m opening up the wall as I plan to recess part or all of the range into the wall and into a storage cabinet on other side of wall.

                After your comments, I looked closely at the black mastic on the wood. There doesn’t appear to be any indication it held a spacer. Upon further reflection, a spacer would simply have been nailed to the shiplap rather than glued. I think whatever they used…some kind of sheet goods…was glued to the wall so that there would be no fasteners exposed on the room side.

                In a corner between two door jamb trims, I just noticed a tile patterned sheet good but it’s only about 1 1/2 inch wide and knocking on it doesn’t revel if it’s metal or linoleum or ??, but I don’t think this is a clue as it’s in same plane as the 1/4″ sheetrock and appears to be on the sheetrock. I’d have to remove one if not both door trims to remove this tile patterned material.

                As you suggest, it doesn’t take much of an air gap to be effective. In our previous house (1888), we had a piece of metal ceiling just leaning up against the wall behind a one burner wood stove which was 6-7 inches from the wall and never had a problem with heat from the stove.

                And, yes, it is fun to discover the past. The way I add electrical switches/receptacles exposes an 8 1/2″ x 11″ patch of whatever is beneath the 1/4″ sheetrock and it’s been a lot of fun to see the different layers of wallpapers that have been used in various rooms. Some with very different patterns than you would expect. The original dining room wallpaper, for instance, is a very dark olive green with a random oriental-feeling pattern. I plan to put the wallpapers in picture frames and hang them in the room they were in originally.

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