c. 1850 – Greenville, AL – $15,000

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Added to OHD on 5/19/19   -   Last OHD Update: 5/19/19   -   33 Comments
201 Herbert St, Greenville, AL 36037

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  • $15,000
  • 3 Bed
  • 1 Bath
  • 1854 Sq Ft
  • 0.44 Ac.
Although in need of repair, this lovely older home of Greenville has a lot of history to share.
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Connie Coleman, Re/Max Camellia Realty
(334) 382-3371 / 334-437-2453
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33 Comments on c. 1850 – Greenville, AL – $15,000

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  1. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 10360 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    I feel so sorry for this poor house. The pictures don’t tell us anything other than it looks like it’s been abandoned for a really long time. Is anyone local that wants to take a peek for us?

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  2. AvatarBethany otto says: 2663 comments
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    Escondido, CA

    It looks like it’s sinking into the ground, like you wouldn’t even be able to get the front door open. I hope that’s a trick of the photography angle. It’s very intriguing!

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  3. JimHJimH says: 4208 comments
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    The “Old Abrams Place” is of the Raised Cottage type, sometimes called Creole for the supposed French origin of the form.
    Listed on the Alabama Register of Landmarks & Heritage, the house is thought to have been built in 1859 by Rev. Jonathan E. Bell and sold to the Abrams family in 1863. Kate Abrams Persons grew up here, the mother of Governor Seth Gordon Persons.

    State report:
    https://ahc.alabama.gov/Alabama%20Register%20Properties/Butler%20County/AL.ButlerCounty.OldAbramsPlaceOCR.pdf

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    • Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 10360 comments
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      1901 Folk Victorian
      Chestatee, GA

      “…1974 when it was purchased by Alford Kitching and R.M. Watts for the sole purpose of saving and restoring this unique old Greenville landmark.” That is so sad to read, seeing it as it is now. Looks like Alford passed in 1996 at 75. I’m not sure about R.M.

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      • JimHJimH says: 4208 comments
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        Sad but they may have done enough to save the house – it’s still there and available for a song! If the brick on the lower level is sound, this could be a interesting restoration. The interior might be wonderful, a total wreck, or both!

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        • AvatarLadyTexas says: 145 comments
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          The missing stairs to the upper level sense to me and accounts for why the lower level looks like it’s sinking into the ground. The living space is on the upper level and the utilitarian space below. Would be an interesting renovation to be sure.

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      • AvatarJohn says: 31 comments

        Hi Kelly, I did not know where to ask this question so I apologize if this is not the best place…Wondering what happened to the European listings? I thought they were great-was i the only one?
        John

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  4. AvatarMary Halako Dunton says: 29 comments

    That was my first thought, a Creole Cottage…. I love it!! I would get it if I could up and leave!!

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  5. AvatarEric says: 314 comments

    Too bad there aren’t interior photos. This raised cottage looks like the standard center hall floor plan with two rooms on either side upstairs and downstairs. With the ground floor made of brick the main floor is probably built of cypress that lasts termite free forever. If the roof is ok then this home could be easily saved. Would make a cheap fixer upper project. I’d tackle it if I lived closer.

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  6. AvatarRick says: 78 comments

    Street view you can zoom in on that still gorgeous slate roof and imagine per the state report the original stairs coming down from the middle of the porch, drool.

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  7. AvatarSonia says: 1 comments

    It looks like the Forrest Gump house, with the full balcony and the picture of the tree across the way. Definitely in need of repair to get it back to its glory but I bet whoever takes this on and stays true to the architecture and time period, will end up with a beautiful home!

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  8. AvatarKatie says: 25 comments

    The Google Street View also shows how beautiful that magnolia is. And one of the largest crepe myrtles I’ve ever seen!

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  9. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4718 comments
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    1889 Eastlake Cottage
    Fort Worth, TX

    As sad as the house itself is the surrounding neighborhood. There’s what appears to be another Antebellum home across the street, in better repair. About a block away is this faded but obviously once nice Queen Anne Victorian: https://goo.gl/maps/3yuS8cNhiov Judging by the numerous vacant lots with steps going up to nowhere, this must have been a fairly dense neighborhood a century ago. I think the next owner would have to appreciate solitude although the remaining neighbors are probably friendly as most folks down South often are. The low price doesn’t necessarily reflect a tumble down house inside; I think its due more to a sluggish local real estate market, especially for old houses needing work. Wikipedia stats show an estimated 7,600 residents in Greenville with about 25% living below the poverty line. Assuming the house’s interior is fairly intact, as others have suggested, this could be a worthwhile project. I think a number of interior photos would greatly help to determine the overall value of restoring this Antebellum house.

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  10. AvatarElizabeth R Taylor says: 1 comments

    I live just outside Greenville (I found my Forest Home AL house on this site) and stopped by this house last time I was in town. Unfortunately it may be beyond repair. Most of the doors and windows are open to the elements and the lower level was just sad – floor almost gone. We didn’t look into the main level as my husband thought the front porch stairs were not safe to climb. It is a nice corner lot only two blocks from Commerce St (the main street in historic Greenville).

    This is a nice small southern town with loads of old historic homes. Some are in great shape, others just a brisk wind from falling down, and many in between. There are lots of opportunities for fixer uppers here. About an hour south of Montgomery but right on the interstate.

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    • Architectural ObserverArchitectural Observer says: 544 comments
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      1918 Bunkhouse
      WestOfMiddleOfNowhere, KS

      No house is “beyond repair”. Some simply require more work, knowledge and skills (and expense) than others, but none are impossible. Thankfully, there are today numerous examples of restored houses and buildings which were at one time deemed “beyond repair”.

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      • AvatarRay says: 174 comments
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        1958 prarie, or mid century
        Escondido, CA

        I tend to agree w. that, It can be a fun puzzle, often the costly stuff is simple.

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  11. AvatarAmy says: 1 comments

    Going to try to look at this home this week sometime.

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  12. Kelly, OHDKelly, OHD says: 10360 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Finally got around to updating with the interior photos, moved to front page, comments above may be older.

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  13. Architectural ObserverArchitectural Observer says: 544 comments
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    1918 Bunkhouse
    WestOfMiddleOfNowhere, KS

    The new interior photos show that the place retains lots of highly desirable original material, even windows! The exterior would benefit greatly by the re-creation of the original steps which led from the brick walk to the front door at the center of the porch. It would be fun to remove the plank wall from beneath the wide arched opening (last photo) and see how those rooms were intended to connect with each other. There is a lot here to work with ; I would hope that the price will inspire someone to give it the attention it deserves.

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  14. Kimberly62Kimberly62 says: 466 comments
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    1980 board & batten modern

    I am glad to see this house again. I can imagine filling it with furniture and living with in its walls, enjoying the air from outside coming throuh those beautiful windows, and enjoying the sun making its way across the sky, and how it lights these rooms.

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  15. AvatarLeah S says: 56 comments
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    1870 Vernacular Greek Rev
    TX

    Agree, this home has much potential. So much of the original fabric remains. I hope the price will encourage a restoration-minded buyer who is willing and able to save it. At this price, it is do-able. I bought a cheap old wreck that had been labeled beyond repair, had it moved, and gradually worked on bringing it back. It took years, money, lots of sweat … but so worth it. It’s not for everyone. Hoping this home finds someone willing to take the plunge.

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    • AvatarRay says: 174 comments
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      1958 prarie, or mid century
      Escondido, CA

      I did that w. condemned property in CA. But the city made me pay double for permits to fix up caused of the previous owners violations. No big tho. Put in 60 grand in materials, and called in every favor there ever was. I has to be a hobby, unless you get lucky.

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  16. AvatarJon says: 19 comments
    TN

    A setting for a Faulkner novel or Tennessee Williams play if ever there was one.

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  17. AvatarRay says: 174 comments
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    1958 prarie, or mid century
    Escondido, CA

    I like it, I don’t know why. That’s about a weeks pay for Richey Rich.

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  18. AvatarAJ Davis says: 93 comments
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    1850 Italianate, classical
    New Haven, CT

    Interesting that the 1974 report described the roof as “Mansard” when that style had barely been introduced into the northeast. Since the design of this house as a Creole cottage was clearly a long-standing vernacular one without any modern pretensions (relatively plain pine mantels, etc), I feel quite sure the roof is misidentified. Nice flushboarding on the facade, though. I too hope it can be salvaged, and it’s rear porch, currently completely gone (though the doorway from the central hallway remains), can also be reconstructed around the location of the now-attached kitchen. I suspect the filled in-arch in the ground or basement level may at one time have been a part of the dining room since many Creole cottages had the dining room located there.

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  19. AvatarAJ Davis says: 93 comments
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    1850 Italianate, classical
    New Haven, CT

    Interesting that the 1974 report described the roof as “Mansard” when that style had barely been introduced into the northeast. Since the design of this house as a Creole cottage was clearly a long-standing vernacular one without modern pretensions (relatively plain pine mantels, etc), I feel quite sure the roof is misidentified. Nice flush-boarding on the facade, though. I too hope it can be salvaged. Along with its rear porch, now completely gone (though the doorway from the central hallway remains, as does an apparent “ghost” stairway showing it going upwards against the external wall under the porch as commonly occurred in Creole cottages), up to the newer location of the now-attached kitchen. I suspect the filled in-arch in the ground or basement level may at one time have been a part of the dining room since many Creole cottages had the dining room located there.

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  20. AvatarAJ Davis says: 93 comments
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    1850 Italianate, classical
    New Haven, CT

    The google perspectives do suggest a vaguely Mansard-like roof, but as I see no windows and the attic does not seem to have been high enough to stand up in, I seriously doubt it qualifies as a true Mansard. I do wonder if this is the original roof or not, but think it is more of a hipped roof. Also noticed that the fireplaces have been taken down to the ground floor if not removed entirely from both floors. But where they had existed on the main floor, some one did fill them in with external siding matching the original, from what I can see, and presumably some time ago. And where they were removed from both floors, they were nicely filled in with original-appearing materials on both levels.

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  21. AvatarNighthorse says: 57 comments
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    This town is interesting to me because a group of my ancestors was some of the first people to settle here, coming from Greenville SC in the 1850s.
    As a matter of fact, the street that is adjacent to this one is my maiden name: Dunklin.

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  22. AvatarNighthorse says: 57 comments
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    Oops, I was wrong. It was more like 1821 and first, they had to bury the remains of the white side that lost a run in with the Native Americans that were originally there.

  23. CharlestonJohnCharlestonJohn says: 849 comments
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    Charleston, SC

    The interior is in better condition than I had expected prior to the recent post update. The raised basement form is pretty common throughout the Southeast US in areas where a high water table and a threat of flooding is present. The call the form “Lowcountry” around here, but the idea is the same: Build on grade and make the basement the first level and the living quarters above. The posted house has the six over six windows, the wide frieze boards, and interior trim you’d expect from a Greek Revival influenced design on the 1850s. You’d need a structural engineer to know for sure, but in many cases, sinking house can be lifted and stabilized. I hope someone will save this one.

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