Sharon Springs, NY

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Posted March 2016. This home has been archived on OHD. The sold status is unknown.
Added to OHD on 3/31/16   -   Last OHD Update: 12/31/18   -   76 Comments
422 Argusville Rd, Sharon Springs, NY 13459

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  • $80,000
  • 5 Bed
  • 1 Bath
  • 2482 Sq Ft
  • 30 Ac.
This property is being sold as is. It needs plenty of TLC. This property has 30 acre estate easily accessible from highway. Asking price for acreage is $80,000 or best offer.
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Ana Rodriguez, Hudson Group Realty Network
(646) 228-9228
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  1. Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 10365 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    This is probably past the point of completely saving but perhaps someone is interested in a rebuild project. 🙂

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    • RossRoss says: 2406 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      ZOUNDS!

      I am totally in love!

      And Kelly, I have restored houses in worse condition!

      ZOUNDS!

      I would kill to see interior images.

      To walk up to that cupola after it is restored, glass of wine in hand, and look through its gleaming windows? Oh, the immense personal satisfaction. Immense.

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      • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4718 comments

        I’m with you Ross! First, one of us needs to win the lottery, then lets go bring this one back…I’m not being facetious; it always tugs at my heartstrings to see a once fine home like this gone to seed but I lack the resources (financial) to tackle something like this. Wow, land is pretty cheap around Sharon Springs which once rivaled Saratoga Springs as a favorite Spa. This formal Italianate house appears to date from circa 1860 when the Springs were highly popular and were frequented by wealthy New York city dwellers as a vacation and health spa retreat. I need to find a millionaire preservationist who wants to save our architectural heritage and set up a funded non-profit to identify and save houses like this one. But despite my sincerest wishes, this house has little chance of getting a reprieve from oblivion. It just seems there is something fundamentally wrong in our culture that we allow historic homes like this one to be lost with so little concern or thought given to it. In the UK, old houses are graded based on architectural/historical value and fewer houses are lost as a result. This house could be the poster child for why more funding for historic preservation is badly needed in our country.

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        • AvatarLori says: 119 comments

          Totally agree about allowing historical homes, barns, schools and other structures to be completely lost in communities. Preservation is needed across the country…

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      • AvatarGail Johnson says: 11 comments

        Love the place. Wish I had to money to fix it up.

    • AvatarKate Lawler says: 10 comments

      Past the point of saving but all the lumber can be salvaged & reused.

      • AvatarAudrey says: 110 comments

        Nothing is past the point of saving. Absolutely nothing. When there’s a love, a drive and resources, anything can be brought back.

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    • Avatarmsustudent1 says: 1 comments

      Nice Home!

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    • CoraCora says: 1894 comments

      Valuable lumber? Pshaw! It’s fixable! Yay for interior pics 🙂

      I’m dying to know it’s history…who lived there, their story…

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      • AvatarAmy says: 1 comments

        The inside actually looks better than the outside I believe it can be saved, if only someone had the $$$ and time to do it IT CAN BE DONE

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        • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4718 comments

          I concur after seeing the interior photos. For a prospective restorer, the first step would be to secure the premises, careful sort and clean out the interior saving anything old that could be put back and then creating a room by room renovation plan. A sound, leak-free roof is priority one; make sure any needed foundation repairs follow, then while walls are open run plumbing, electrical, and HVAC lines, insulate, and turn to cosmetics. At that point, cleaning up, repairing and painting the exterior would be in order. I would expect by that time some former residents or local history buffs would stop by with helpful information maybe even some vintage photos. If that small pool in the photos turns out to be Spring fed, I think a lot could be done incorporating it into the landscaping. It might require $100k or more for renovation repairs but in the end you’d own a unique period home with acreage and a grateful community for you saving it. All that would be needed beyond that is: “and they lived here happily ever-after.” I just know there is someone out there up to the challenge of saving this place.

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  2. AvatarDee says: 7 comments

    I’d love to see the inside!

  3. AvatarSharon M says: 54 comments

    Or filming a scary movie?

  4. AvatarDavid Feezor says: 3 comments

    This is basically land at 2 grand an acre which you might recoup if you sell off carefully salvaged materials from the house.

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  5. AvatarFrann says: 13 comments

    Oh my I love that house. If only I could take a walk inside.

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  6. JosephJoseph says: 11 comments

    I very rarely ever say tear-down, but I think this might be at a point beyond saving. Hopefully there are a few nice pieces inside that can be salvaged.

    • RossRoss says: 2406 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      A single exterior image cannot possibly convey the condition of the house.

      What I see is a lot of wood with no paint (meaning no lead-based paint to remove. Whoee!), and a lot of broken windows.

      I have seen houses which looked MUCH better but were actually in terrible condition, and many houses which looked a lot like this one but were actually in relatively good condition.

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      • AvatarDiane says: 486 comments

        True. Our house was a breath away from being bought by a local developer and leveled when we were faster with a checkbook. It looked much like this one and still had the excellent “bones”. Even though it was home to raccoons (windows gone) and held many a teen party while abandoned, the old carpenters’ talents and materials kept it standing. All it needed was massive amounts of money and labor – this is where all of you who have restored a home(s) smile knowingly. Thank goodness we did this while we both held good jobs and had good health. In the end we love this old house and wouldn’t have traded living here for anything.

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      • AvatarMW says: 727 comments

        Need to check the ground around the house for the lead paint. That is where it might be found if it was ever used on the house. Just because most of it is no longer on the house, doesn’t mean it still doesn’t need some clean up.

        But I agree, scraping and replacing the ground is still likely easier and cheaper than scraping it off the house.

      • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4718 comments

        Some of the comments suggest that the house itself has no value beyond salvage. Thus, the house is essentially free with the $60K going to buy THIRTY acres of land. From that perspective, any money invested in rehabbing the house is added value. It might cost $200k or more to fully restore this once fine home but if you did so in a preservation sensitive way, I think the post rehab value would at least be equal to the money invested in it. You would also be reminded that you saved a piece of Sharon Springs History and still have 30 acres of what appears to be valuable forested land surrounding it. The dilemma about where to live while the rehab is on-going might be solved by parking an RV or trailer next to the house (You’ll need an electric service utilities pole for working on the house anyway or a commercial grade generator.) I suspect that house was lived in recently enough to have had indoor plumbing so a septic sewer connection might be possible to find and tie in to. It’s not a project to be entered into lightly but with careful inspection, a realistic rehabilitation plan, and an adequate budget for the necessary work, the project is not beyond the capabilities of most folks. I would not recommend it as a project for first timers, but for people with some rehab experience it should be feasible. Old weathered wood can be sanded down to bright wood again; lumber resources in the area should be adequate to replace damaged wood, and there are almost countless online resources as well as old house rehab groups and books, to cover most contingencies. Just think what incredible “before and after” photos you’d have. But the deal maker or breaker rests with the interior condition and as of now, that’s unknown.

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    • evers310evers310 says: 112 comments

      Amen to that Ross.

  7. AvatarCarolyn says: 259 comments

    I don’t fall in love easily but I am completely smitten!

  8. Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 10365 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Someone that lives nearby says the home has been vacant at least 35 years.

  9. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4718 comments

    That may be, but because it predates all of the lavish Victorian interior millwork that came in later decades, if this one still has the staircase and is not in imminent danger of collapse, it is not beyond saving. The rules for marginal houses like this are always the same: 1. put a sound roof on it; 2. make sure the foundation is repaired 3. clean up the inside and take care of any structural damage; 4. update or install systems (electrical, plumbing, HVAC) then finish with the cosmetic work. I wish someone would challenge me to restore it and provide the funds to do so. Ross knows it is possible. (but maybe not practical) This formal Italianate style house was probably architect designed but has deteriorated almost beyond recognition.

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  10. Marcia AmesMarcia Ames says: 27 comments
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    There is a home near me that is from around 1810. When I was a child I would pass by it when we went to see my Grandmother. It was all boarded up, broken windows, no paint left on it, and it leaned a little to one side. It actually made my heart hurt when I would look at it. My Mother loved it too, but everyone else in my family would roll their eyes when the 2 of us would go on about it’s beauty. The condition was very similar to this one. Years went by and one day I saw trucks at the property. At that time it had been abandoned at least 50 years. Some caring soul labored over that restoration and today it is a beautiful home. I never thought a house that far gone could be brought back, but it is amazing today, so maybe this one could be saved too.

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  11. Avatarlarrysgirl says: 3 comments

    Inside Pictures! Please!

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  12. evers310evers310 says: 112 comments

    If this house were in the South I would be all over it!

  13. AvatarVand4221 says: 1 comments

    Holy gorgeous Batman! That house could be a stunner!

    I’m still learning the preservation game but if someone else wants a willing soul to order around, I’ll help you fix it!

  14. JimHJimH says: 4210 comments
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    This house was built for the Kilts family and owned by them until the death of John C. Kilts (1858-1926), grandson of the original owner. John was born an only child in the house, lived his entire life there and farmed 100 acres. He never married, and was active in the Lutheran Church down the road in Argusville, as organist and Sunday School teacher.
    “He is the last one of an honored and respected family. Cousins are the nearest of kin to survive and many friends mourn his departure.”

    The house passed by will to a cousin and apparently his family held it for many years and allowed it to deteriorate. A relative wrote “I visited the farm, October 1993, and the house is in poor shape – needs a lot of work. If someone had about $75,000 it could probably be restored and modernized. The barn is in very poor shape. Part of the roof is gone with the resultant rotting and sagging of the wood sills. Might be salvaged?”

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  15. LottieLottie says: 403 comments

    But maybe this house is possible…? Oh, my heart aches! Hope someone can bring this house back!

  16. AvatarMark says: 162 comments

    Seems like 200+ years is becoming a common phrase for an old house age even when it appears in no way to be accurate. The house is close to the road. No need for running power some great distance. There is already a power line and somewhat modern looking box on the side of the house as well as another line going to the house from across the street(doesn’t look like cable). If the lumber is valuable then why isn’t the lumber valuable as it is? I’ve seen far worse restored. Those clapboards look decent and then house generally looks straight. You will need all new plumbing, wiring, drywall, etc. in addition to any potential foundation and roof work needed. At that point, I agree with Lovale based on the area it may not be worth the cost if you would ever like to recover your investment.

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    • AvatarJeffrey says: 11 comments

      Mark, I’ve seen the age of this house listed at 1760. Do you disagree?
      I see a lot of similarities with the Loring-Greenough House also built the same year.

  17. Avatarlara jane says: 572 comments

    Talk of tearing down (“lumber for salvage”?!) makes me want to slap people with a glove. hahaha

    I’d love to see inside. I have a strong feeling that it’s a time capsule.

    And if the foundation is a problem, I’d be happy relocating the home farther back from the street on a new foundation. With potentially 88 acres here there’s plenty of room!

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  18. AvatarLaurie W. says: 1609 comments

    Salvage, my eye. Before reading the hopeful comments here I wanted to bawl at the insensitivity of turning into mere lumber a beautiful old place that housed so much life in its time. After, I wanted to reach for my checkbook, but it’s empty! This house has balance & grace. Restoring it may not be a practical thing to do but many triumphs have been achieved in the name of love. I wish I could make this one of those — and it looks so forlorn in the street view. I want to see the inside!

  19. AvatarLizB says: 2 comments

    I am smitten. Oh,to take a peek inside!

  20. AvatarGoddessOdd says: 346 comments

    At 2k per acre, this beautiful wooded parcel is a bargain, but throw in the terrific house, and it’s a real steal. I wonder if the interior of the house is so far gone that it is too dangerous to enter for photos, but I would have settled for a peek in the windows at least. On an up note, you could view this as a house with most of the demo work already done, at least the bones are visible for evaluation and repair. Reason enough to buy a power ball ticket!

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  21. Avatarjennifer HT says: 796 comments

    I hope someone can find or get us more pics. I *need* to see the inside. Please don’t tear it down future buyers.

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  22. RossRoss says: 2406 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    I sent an email to the listing agent, told them of the large interest on Old House Dreams, and requested interior images.

    Crossing my fingers!

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  23. AvatarJosephFortHill says: 314 comments

    I have stopped by Sharon Springs a few times – quaint relic of the past, some activity due to the Americana Inn/Restaurant, Adelphi Wallpaper was located there – not sure if they still are. And of course the Beekman Boys put it sorta back on the map. But it is not a great destination for modern tourism, the hotels are mostly gone, and remainder decrepit. The baths building on main drag as well.

    Looking at values in this area, even the land value doesn’t seem that much of a bargain – unlikely you could subdivide given the configuration of the land, and buildable land doesn’t appear to scarce.

    I’m going out this way in a couple of weeks – hope to get some more exterior photos. Won’t bother the agent to go in since I wouldn’t waste their time – and I suspect that is why no response to requests for interior pix. This area has been the subject for photographers “documenting the abandoned” and could probably google some of their articles re the old hotels.

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  24. Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 10365 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    The agent let me know he added some interior photos! I’ve added them to the post.

    Not as bad as I thought it would be. I see there are walls and floors left and honestly thought there wouldn’t be anything on the inside. Glad to be proven wrong.

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  25. AvatarBarbara says: 25 comments

    AMAZING! Oh what a labor of love it could be! A very doable restoration! And this house isn’t “hiding” what needs to be done behind remuddles like so many do! What you see is what you get.

  26. AvatarJosephFortHill says: 314 comments

    As promised, I did swing by to look at this over the weekend. Yes, techincally restorable (but remember, you can clone a sheep from a single cell). I didn’t go in, but walked around and took some pictures. When I get them posted I’ll give a link.

    Foundation appears totally shot, caving in in areas. A later exterior block chimney has collapsed entirely, and where it was there is significant cornice rot. Numerous areas of walls have large openings where you can see the back side of lathe/plaster. I would also guess the new owner could start a petting zoo with what is likely living in there.

    The location is not that bad; on a curve, fairly close, but at least one car length in from road, which does not seem to be heavily traveled. Biggest drawback is that you would likely never come close to recouping the investment in even a fix-up, much less restoration. Even if there should be some demand for house lots, the sheer number of unused farmland would keep prices low. So this appears to be one for the “restoration fantasy” file.

    • RossRoss says: 2406 comments

      This is a house on a large piece of property for but $60K.

      $60K.

      Will the house have issues?

      Well, for $60K this should not only be expected, but assumed.

      Nothing you wrote surprises me. And the house still appears to be a worthy candidate for restoration.

      People do all kinds of things without ever thinking about a return on investment. Like having kids; a HUGE long-term and expensive responsibility.

      Restoring a house like this has the potential to offer tremendous personal satisfaction. And what a cool project!

      • AvatarJosephFortHill says: 314 comments

        I spent most of our trip photographing old homes/barns along this route. If you think this house is so great, you should see some of the others I came across – some looking like the owners just walked away ca. 1845. To people in more inhabited/prosperous areas these seem like gems (and as has been pointed out to me, this is called Old House DREAMS). But with the decline in agriculture there is no shortage of buildable land in this area- just little demand. It is emotionally stirring to see this house, and it evokes the fantasy of fixing it up – but even for that mythical person who is willing to go through this with no return there are probably better options out there – either better locations, condition, more interesting architecturally, etc.

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      • RossRoss says: 2406 comments

        I appreciate that you do not find this house worthy of restoration, and respect this.

        But there is a implied suggestion, perhaps, that because YOU do not find this house worthy, that nobody else should. This is my concern.

        It has been said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So, too, with any restoration project.

        And your images (thank you!) make me love the house all the more.

        • AvatarJosephFortHill says: 314 comments

          Unless all the people who just love this house misplaced their checkbooks, I suspect that many others feel restoration would be a romantic, but unrealistic project. Please don’t make it sound like I’m starting a petition drive to have it torn down.

          Many years ago there was a table that was the talk of the antiques trade. It was a formal, federal stand that was found in a barn, covered with some old curtains and such, and apparently had been placed there shortly after it was made. There was quite a bit of interest in this table, and when the antique dealer who found it announced it would be unveiled at a certain antique show, many people (including myself) went to see it. It was amazing to think it had been unseen/untouched for 150 years. This also meant it was priced at about 10 times a comparable table in “maintained” condition. Everyone was gaga over it: “pure” – “untouched” – “never been monkeyed with”, even though through neglect the top was warped, the finish was oxidized, etc. .So what happens when you have to do something with it. You couldn’t use it in a room setting, as it wasn’t meant to be seen in that condition. It might be interesting as a museum artifact, but not sure there was any point to that. And once restored, it is just like many others of its kind, but with a more interesting story.

          I put this house in the same category. Imagine if someone had fixed the worst missing sections, added a roof and put a preservation coat(s) of primer. Without the “romantic” image, it would be “another old house” and there would probably have been only 2 or 3 comments (and those would probably be “I wish it had a garage” or such.

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          • RossRoss says: 2406 comments

            Again, I appreciate that you do not find this house worthy of restoration, and respect this.

            Somebody else may feel differently.

            Scores of incredible old buildings have been demolished over the centuries because they were deemed “unworthy” or “too far gone” or in the way of “urban renewal” or a bunch of other reasons.

            But…but…scores of incredible old homes have been saved which were deemed unworthy or too far gone. Indeed, entire neighborhoods have even been saved which were targeted for demolition (like SoHo in NYC, and the Point Section in Newport, RI).

            I remain forever in awe and in deep gratitude to those intrepid souls who do what they can, often in the face of incredible odds and challenges, to save our artistic and cultural heritage.

            I believe that ALL old buildings deserve a savior.

          • AvatarJeffrey says: 11 comments

            amen brother, it’s a great house, that certainly tugs at the heart to pull you back to a “better time” but it’s not unlike so many others in upstate new york and other areas where the industry has vanished along with jobs and property values. It’s savable but at what cost. To sink 100k into a restoration if you love it is not unreasonable, but at the end of the day you may never get that money back.

  27. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4718 comments

    Joseph, thank you very much for sharing photos of the Sharon Springs house. As Ross noted, this is not in the profitable, quick flip category and any thoughts of recouping the money put into renovating the house are not valid in the short term. That said, anyone tackling this property would be doing so in the labor of love category so they could have pride from saving a badly deteriorated historic home from oblivion as well as having a nice piece of land to go with their unique home. Best would be for someone to bring an RV or temporary mobile home to the site, get a service utility pole set up to supply power to the RV/Mobile house and equipment used in construction. Then strictly follow a carefully calculated and well thought out renovation plan. Step one is always a sound roof to keep things in the dry. Acquire some cribbing (heavy wood blocks for foundation support) and house jacks, find the highest point of the foundation and level everything up to that grade. From that point, take a room by room approach, install new systems, repair walls/floors, rebuild the missing chimney. I see about 2 years of work ahead if one person is doing the work with licensed subs for some jobs where required by local code. In summary, renovation is feasible if the willpower and financial resources are available. Think as well about the fantastic “before and after” photos!

    • AvatarJosephFortHill says: 314 comments

      Put me in the “been there, done that” category. Our large Federal meant spending summers with one overhead light, a mini fridge and a toaster oven in the bathroom. We looked at dozens of potential project houses, and didn’t like or buy all of them. If you are doing it as a labor of love, you still want it to be a desirable property when done, or it will wind up back where it started, with all your efforts for naught.

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  28. AvatarSiera says: 1 comments

    I pass this house every day. I always dreamed to hear about its story. For sure in rough shape but how beautiful it once was! I always wondered what it looked like inside. I would rather this house stay vacant then someone bring it down.

  29. AvatarAndrea says: 1 comments

    The house is in bad shape I live 1/2 mile down the road the price is double what the land is worth in this area. As it needs a lot of work very over grown! And run down. Part of the floor is caved in in the lower level open to the ground and heaved badly as you enter. That being said I would love to see it returned to its former glory. Argusville is a historical area in Sharon Springs there is lead paint most likely. All the older houses in the area have lead paint! The house has been empty for over the 10 years I have lived here. I wish it was a larger lot as I would love to buy it and restore truly a
    N amazing place.

  30. AvatarJeffrey says: 11 comments

    Andrea,

    the lot next to it is for sale as well 85 acres with the combined lots.

    I’m sure down the road other adjoining lots will come up as well. Are you saying the land value up there is 1000/acre?
    I am interested in this house (not too bad of a drive from long island)
    but we are in the middle of buying another house right now so I don’t want another project until I see how much work our new house will need.

    Do you have pictures from when you went in?

  31. AvatarJeffrey says: 11 comments

    I saw it a few months ago.. I think it could be saved. It’s listed with country boy realty (saw a lot of his signs up there)

    I think a few guys and a few weekends and it could be weather tight again.

    a few more to make it livable. I’m still thinking about it…

  32. Avatarben heijermans says: 2 comments

    people know and/or have seen the house yet remarkably few specifics. I wonder on what type of soil the foundation is grounded, and what type of foundation it is?

    • AvatarJeffrey says: 11 comments

      Ben what are you looking to find out about the house? its a cobble foundation on dirt. house is savable but some of the deteriorated wood work would be expensive.

      house has close to 30 windows so at $350 each for anderson replacements that and the siding/paint are going to be big expenses. doing all the work yourself you could make this a nice vacation home for around $100k if I had to guess.

      House has well and septic, so who knows if they are usable. let me know what else you need.

  33. AvatarDaniel Andersen says: 1 comments

    Beautiful house, I group up in one like this that my Stepfather restored just a little outside Saratoga Springs, NY….When he bought that house it was condemned and an absolute wreck, but it still had enough to restore.

    Only problem with this house is that it is in Sharon Springs. A lovely town….but it has that rotten egg sulfur smell.

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