1890 Colonial Revival – Bayport, NY

SOLD / Archived From 2015
Added to OHD on 1/27/15 - Last OHD Update: 2/14/18 - Comments Closed
Address Withheld

Price

$699,000

Beds

10

Baths

7

SqFt

7502

Acres

1.2

Historic & Grand Estate In Need Of A Buyer To Restore Its Beauty. 7,502 Sf On 1.2 Acres. 1st Fl Has Ef, Lr/Music Rm W/Fpl, Huge Enc Porch, Kit, Breakfast Rm, Office, 2 Half Baths, Fdr W/Fpl, Den W/Fpl & Laun Rm. 2nd Fl Has 5 Brs & 2.5 Bths & 3rd Fl Has 5 Brs W/1 Fbth. Bsmt. Alabastor & Soap Stone Fpl Mantels. Hand-Carved Wood From Italy.

50 Comments on 1890 Colonial Revival – Bayport, NY

  1. Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 8500 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    There is an open house 1/29 between 1-230pm. Someone go there and take as many detailed pics as possible! I dread thinking what someone is going to do with some of the yumminess of this home.

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  2. RossRoss says: 2240 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    This is the best of houses.

    This is the worst of houses.

    I am just insane for how original many aspects seem. Like that kitchen! Oh Lordy! Is that a triple WOOD sink?????

    Dining room to-die-for.

    But other aspects make me wince. Like the exterior. The 1890s facade clearly had a 1920s Colonial make-over and I yearn to see archival images. The interior was also partly Colonialized…badly.

    Kelly, I 100% agree. Please please please let some buyer restore this home without destroying its inherent yumminess.

  3. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4124 comments

    One often reads about interiors in grand homes of this era as being the work of European artisans/tradesmen without much visual or documentary evidence to support those claims but here they appear to be true. Also, in the exceedingly rare category, is what appears to be an original (high end)and largely intact Victorian era kitchen. The originals, which were the domain of cooks and hired help were totally devoid of frills and strictly spartan which seems to accord with what is shown here. I would imagine there is a lot of interesting house history behind the European flavor of this interior and I’d be curious to read about it. I agree the house may have been remodeled on the exterior but the overgrowth outside masks much of what might be seen. This house is anything but run of the mill.

    • Don Carleton says: 248 comments

      I’m not so sure about the need for European provenance for these interiors, except perhaps for the white and gilt paneling. To me, the dining room looks like it could almost be a Herter Brothers job!

      • JimHJimH says: 3424 comments
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        Don C, you may be right that Herter Brothers did some work here, but since they were German-born and employed other immigrants, isn’t that European provenance?

        • Don Carleton says: 248 comments

          Fair enough, as I was writing that comment I was thinking the same thing (that firms like the Herters must have included European craftsmen on their staffs), but the listing does specifically say “hand carved wood from Italy.” High-end old houses always seem to accumulate legends of being built with European materials, and realtors seem to love to repeat such tales for marketing purposes. (I’ve even read of houses being purportedly built with masonry (!) imported from Europe, for example, as though there weren’t perfectly good quarries closer to home.) As inhabitants of a former colonial outpost of Europe, I think we Americans have a curious relationship to the “Old World.” We have tended to believe ourselves superior to a corrupt and decadent Europe in the realm of political philosophy, but when it comes to craftsmanship and things artistic, have been in thrall to the idea that the truly finest stuff must come from Europe! That kind of ambivalence is what some historians call “postcoloniality.”

          • JimHJimH says: 3424 comments
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            Don C., you’re right about silly old-house stories and American ambivalence about Europe. The owners here for the last 50 years were Italian opera singers – maybe that explains that bit of lore.

  4. Chris says: 43 comments

    The exterior just does not do this house justice. PLEASE let the eventual buyer be someone who appreciates all the fine details that are somehow STILL in this house. It would be heartbreaking to hear someone went in and just ripped out, or painted out all the details.

    • Don Carleton says: 248 comments

      Actually, I kind of like the contrast between the bland (even dull) Colonial Revival exterior and the knock-your-socks-off Victoriana inside. It’s kind of like a stealth Queen Anne or something! Much better than the many houses with interesting exteriors whose interiors have been gutted…

  5. RossRoss says: 2240 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    Ouch!

    Streetview is a shock.

    The house is surrounded/engulfed by post-WWII suburban-style houses.

    I would love to see an old plot plan of the city. The house must have had a lot of acreage originally?

  6. Vicki F says: 72 comments

    Holy ever-loving Wow….that dining room is gorgeous! Imagine trying to replicate that these days! Also, it would be perfectly fine with me to wake up and see that mantle (last picture) first thing every morning!

  7. Douglas GreenDouglas Green says: 82 comments

    I couldn’t find anything wrong with the house until I checked how much the property tax is. Yikes! Oh, that dining room and the original kitchen are to die for.

  8. JimHJimH says: 3424 comments
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    I love this place, as is where is, especially seeing it’s spinning Ross’s head around. “Toto, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas anymore.” 🙂

  9. Windy says: 1 comments

    I think you’d have to hire someone full time through the winter just to keep the fireplaces going to help heat this home!! So very lovely. The high water table right there on the bay can’t be good for all that lovely wood.

    • Peter moloney says: 7 comments

      It is dry. Even after dandy blew in ….no what damage anywhere

  10. Zoie says: 49 comments

    Oh my! GORGEOUS! The kitchen reminds me of Downton Abbey.

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  11. Vicki F says: 72 comments

    I never imagined from the first picture that this house was so huge. It must’ve been inhabited by a family of pianists because I’ve counted at least six pianos! Who has six pianos????? Almost as many keyboards as sinks! Can’t afford it – couldn’t heat it or pay the taxes, but this die hard lover of Victoriana is loving on this place!

  12. Carla Webber says: 4 comments

    Oh if I had money! Love It Love it Love it. Guess I wouldn’t have to worry about a job I’d be too busy polishing all that wood!LOL No paint though I would hate the snow I am a southern CA girl. But if I were rich I could just stay inside and love the woodwork. With 10 bedrooms it could be a nice B&B if someone wanted.

  13. RosewaterRosewater says: 3758 comments
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    1875 Italianate cottage
    Noblesville, IN

    Daaaang. Some over the top carving in THIS house, no doubt. Those Italian craftsmen were incredibly skilled artists. We’ll never see that kind of work again, I don’t care how much somebody pays, (like that goofy place in silicon valley). Talk about two for the price of 1! Not only is the original coal range still in place, (btw – look familiar? It’s the same one that was in “Gray Gardens” – W/ marble fawn; https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ba/b6/91/bab691f24f5e1c63ed3d14dfaf8f5002.jpg), Buuuutttt, you also get the splendid, antique, gas range too! Pantries, sculleries, service rooms oh my! I just love those well preserved service rooms. Too cool..

  14. Tia P. says: 60 comments

    Wow! Wow! and Wow! So many details here! Love the fireplace, dining room, bedrooms. Wow, the things I could do with that kitchen!

  15. carla webber says: 4 comments

    opera singers WOW imagine the acoustics!

  16. Natalia says: 4 comments

    $2000.00 A month in taxes! Enough to discourage any middle class broad like myself.

  17. Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 8500 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    This has been dropping in price, now down to $699,000.

    • JimHJimH says: 3424 comments
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      I found old photos of this place as a towered Second Empire!!! and just after it was renovated around 1915. The book says the original house was built “before 1888” which is the year of the earliest atlas – it’s older.
      http://tinyurl.com/opbgrtq

      • RossRoss says: 2240 comments
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        1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
        Emporia, KS

        Zounds! Cool! Thanks, Jim!!!!!!

  18. Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 8500 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Interesting, never would have thought it was originally a Second Empire. Thanks Jim!

    Better quality photos added to the post. I’m sad they didn’t venture into the kitchen area for photos but at least we get to see better dining room pics! Wowza!

    • JimHJimH says: 3424 comments
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      Thanks for the new pics – amazing stuff!
      Russian emigre John J. Ascher ruined the old house but maybe the interiors reminded him of the old country. The gilded filigree work he added could have come right out of a Russian palace. He was a local character that sued the trolley company to prevent it from coming down Middle Road, the main street – they had to run it through the woods to get to the next town.

  19. Steve says: 1 comments

    I have lived in the area since I was 13. This home has always intrigued me. The conservatory is spectacular, dining room…I’m at a loss for words! There are dozens upon dozens of these old homes around the Sayville/Bayport/Blue Point area…even a couple of boarded up foreclosures on Middle Rd., east of this property.

  20. Cathy A Elias says: 2 comments

    The man who owned This house was an Italian singer who ran a music studio there. I grew up with his kids.

  21. Mike says: 1 comments

    Had the privilege of walking through this house today. There was an open house estate sale so I took the opportunity to go inside. While many aspects of the house need help, the bones are all there and solid. The ceiling in the dining room is leather. The staircase is GORGEOUS. Mostly original lead glass and many original fixtures. The kitchen is in pretty bad shape but the original details are all intact. Was toll by the man living in the house and keeping an eye on it for the owners that the house is in contract and the new owners plan on restoring it. It’ll need a ton of work but it’s definitely doable. Sorry I wasn’t able to take any pics. As an aside, the house has a commercs past. I was told at some point it was a restaurant with rooms to let. As a matter of fact, there are still room numbers on some of the bedroo. Doors upstairs.

    • Peter moloney says: 7 comments

      Yes. Lots of work is needed on this house. My wife is a fantastic interior designer from the south. I grew up on Long Island while going to college I worked as a builders assistant in the hamptons. When we came across this home we knew we had found a project that we can handle. Living and working locally will allow us to manage this project. The goal is to renovate this home creating a home like no other of its kind.

      • JimHJimH says: 3424 comments
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        Peter, congratulations on your purchase and good luck on the project. There’s a lot to do and room for creativity while also respecting the historic details and finishes. And please, for God’s sake don’t paint the natural woodwork!

  22. Lisa says: 1 comments

    Was just passing by on the way home today and saw the Estate Sale sign. I have been waiting at least 25 years to get into this house! OMG! It was like walking through time! Went back out to get my husband to see it. One room was more spectacular than the next! I only hope the restoration is done true to the time period! Cried when I left, everything I hoped to see and far more than I ever imagined!

    • Peter moloney says: 7 comments

      My wife and I are pleased to be buying this home. It is a fantastic project for us. It will have the old character of the past and the current amenities of the present

      • Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 8500 comments
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        1901 Folk Victorian
        Chestatee, GA

        That’s great news! Congratulations!

      • RossRoss says: 2240 comments
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        1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
        Emporia, KS

        ZOUNDS!

        Congrats!

        This is such an amazing house!

        Will you be doing a blog or Facebook page about the restoration?

        Again, congrats!!!!!!

      • RosewaterRosewater says: 3758 comments
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        1875 Italianate cottage
        Noblesville, IN

        Here’s hoping you appreciate the authenticity of those kitchens 1/2 as much as I do. Good luck. Be gentle..

    • Rauni says: 1 comments

      Lisa, I was “lured” in by the sale as well. How incredible was this house? I did not want to leave. Some lady was telling me about the history of the house, that it was at one time inhabited by a famous opera singer. I guess that would explained the huge music room and the pianos they still had for sale. I really would love to know more about.

  23. Lcp11669 says: 1 comments

    Oh my, I had viewed this local home back at the open house and my husband and I were floored by it. Absolutely amazing, my kids were creeped out by it. Well here we are in June 2016 and we passed by after dinner today. Oh my goodness, all the trees have been removed and behind it is window after window, beautifully painted and restored. I would have taken a picture but my cell phone was dead. It looks unbelievable. I only wish we could take a look inside!

  24. peter g moloney says: 7 comments

    Thank you for your Kind words. Yes this has been a fun project for my wife and I. It is absolutely amazing! The floors have all been refinished, the house is actually level. the new kitchen has a fireplace. all the historic trim in all the rooms and doors have been brought back to life. In addition to that it has been redesigned to include an elevator and is wired so that it is a smart house. Tumbled Marble has been put in the foyer and kitchen floors. We have been truly blessed. I would post pictures on this site but Im not sure that I can.

  25. Cathy Ann Elias says: 2 comments

    Greetings from Tuscany Italy (where I live in the summer),

    I am so happy that someone who loves old houses bought it, and fixed it up. I lived in Bayport as a kid and grew up with David Signorelli (son)so the house has special meaning to me. I would love to see what you have done with it! I am a professor of music in Chicago. Set up a FaceBook page (maybe not give location of house).

  26. peter g moloney says: 7 comments

    I am gathering some pictures and will be posting them. I am near 85% done and when complete will post the before and after photos!! The house is fantastic and I have been blessed to have the chance to renovate it.

  27. Peter moloney says: 7 comments

    I am almost done with the Entire renovation of “White House Farm”. I will be moving in to the home in a bout a month. I will send before and after pics. I think you will be amazed ! Stay tuned !

  28. Nicole F says: 1 comments

    Hi, Peter! Love the house! I live across the street from you on the corner! When people visit I always point out your house!

  29. peter moloney says: 7 comments

    Thank you Nicole ! We consider it a privilege to be a part of the community. If you see my car ( Black 4 door Audi) stop in and I will show you what we have done. We are almost finished (with the inside). The floors are being done now and are being brought back to life ( Gorgeous! ) and the painters are in there for another month.

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  30. Kelly, OHD adminKelly, OHD admin says: 8500 comments
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    1901 Folk Victorian
    Chestatee, GA

    Updated the post with after pics. Thanks to the owner for sharing with us.

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