1898 Queen Anne – Stamford, NY

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Posted December 2014. This home has been archived on OHD. The sold status is unknown. Added to OHD on 12/12/14 - Last OHD Update: 2/14/18 - 44 Comments
11 Lake St, Stamford, NY 12167

Map: Street View

Price

$89,900

Beds

8

Baths

6

SqFt

5125

Acres

1.2

The quintessential diamond in the rough! Don't miss your opportunity to own this Village of Stamford landmark. Built by the well regarded Dr. Solomon in the late 1890s, this Victorian is a wonderful example of the stunning opulence of days gone by. The double front doors lead to an impressive foyer complete with original hardwood wainscoting, high ceilings, and a magnificent staircase. Moldings, doors, and original character have been preserved in many of the rooms throughout the home. A fireplace with marble surround stands prominently in the parlor. With three floors of living space spread over nearly 5,000 square feet, this home would make a wonderful bed and breakfast, spacious single family, or preserve its current state as a four-unit multi-family home. The large village lot is nearly an acre, and would be the perfect backdrop for gardens and summer entertaining. Store your automobiles, lawn implements, and other toys in the over-sized four-bay garage. Possibilities are endless!
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David Brower, Keller Williams      (607) 431-2540
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44 Comments on 1898 Queen Anne – Stamford, NY

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  1. Avatarladylrpuglove says: 7 comments

    Those stairs!

  2. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

    When a mansion grade home with exquisite details is priced for less than a starter house, it makes you take notice. The millwork throughout is of very high quality and two other items stand out: the Eastlake brass door hardware and the brass Eastlake/Aesthetic Movement hearth surround. Two kitchens are evident suggesting rental use. The 1898 date is suspect as the millwork and hardware are from the early to mid-1880’s. There could have been some updates in the late 1890’s to account for the date. It’s sad to see the photo with a few faded survivors of what must have once been a grand neighborhood. New York State has got to find some way to provide tax relief for historic homes. While folks who can afford to live in NYC probably just accept high property taxes as the cost of living there, it’s difficult for homeowners in smaller NY communities to pay the same levels. That barrier of high taxes may help explain why a mansion grade Victorian with over an acre of land, a four bay garage, and in a lovely picturesque setting is for sale at this price. (I have not looked in streetview so please forgive me if there’s a slaughter house or junkyard next door) Assuming there are no other unseen issues, this one looks like a bargain to me. (and a house I could consider myself if I could afford the taxes on a fixed income)

  3. AvatarN Byrne says: 1 comments

    I looked at this and said,”It’s perfect!” And then I saw NY, next thought, “I cant afford the taxes!” Sad.

    • AvatarJoan Young-Santiago says: 53 comments

      Anyone knows what the taxes actually are? I didn’t see it posted of if septic/well water either?

      • AvatarRobert says: 5 comments

        Stamford has municipal water and sewer thanks to Dr. Churchill’s foresight way back in the 1890’s.

  4. AvatarBethany says: 2519 comments

    I love that while this place sure needs a lot of love, it hasn’t been ruined. Wish I could love it back to life!

  5. AvatarDebbie says: 14 comments

    JEEZ, what a great house! Looks like it went from being a lovely old family home to a rent house, and nobody did much to modernize it along the way, a real plus. That woodwork, glorious and gorgeous, looks to be in pretty good shape–nice windows. Roof is shot, and that and CH/A, paint and electrical and plumbing is going to add up on a place that large. Someone with a good bit of cash is going to get LUCKY, as this is going to be an epic looking place! Nice grounds, nice views (although I didn’t look at st. view yet), and just a gorgeous place. The only thing is those Yankee winters! God Bless ya’ll, it looks miserable…

  6. Marcia AmesMarcia Ames says: 27 comments
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    I went on the Zillow listing and it has principle & interest, insurance and taxes rolled into a payment of less than $600.00 a month. I don’t think that’s such a bad deal myself. That woodwork is amazing.

    • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

      Hi Marcia, Since I know you are a realtor, the figures you quoted are a pleasant surprise. I’m totally confused as to how property taxes are determined throughout the Empire State. I’ve seen fixer-upper houses in the $30-40k range with taxes at this level. Would the low (for NY) taxes be explained by a lower valuation than the selling price? (i.e. perhaps in the $50k range?) Or, are there other factors such as tax formulas for that particular county or community, homestead exemptions, over-65 exemptions, or some other factor that would explain the lower tax level? Some locales have tax freezes (typically for 10 years) if a historic house is rehabilitated in accordance with established historic preservation guidelines. (Secretary of the Interior’s preservation standards) If the low $2,100 annual taxes are likely to remain in place post renovation/restoration then that could make this property a deal for someone who is concerned about high taxes. I know in some locales in NY the taxes can be very steep. Thanks for the information.

      • AvatarMelissa says: 250 comments

        John, In New York there are multiple levels of State Income Tax, which are killer – on top of property taxes – which makes living in NYS very, very pricey.

  7. JimHJimH says: 4024 comments
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    The taxes are $2100 here, low for the Northeast, so that’s not a major issue for this house. The bigger factors are the poor condition, location on a main artery, and most importantly a depressed local economy with very few job generators. Stamford is in Delaware County on the far side of the Catskills and was an upscale summer resort area around 1900, when most of the substantial houses were built. The last of the region’s old wood-frame resort hotels, the Rexmere from 1898 just down the street, burned to the ground earlier this year. The town’s earlier times as a stop on the Catskill Turnpike is remembered mostly in history books; the surviving landmark Delaware Inn has been recently ruined (IMO) by a well-meaning foundation. A few restored Victorian homes have sold recently for about $100k, so you would be taking on this project at risk of not getting your money back. I’ve long appreciated the history and lovely old places here and hoped it would become the next upstate darling for city folks, but at 3 hours with no traffic, maybe it’s just a little too far away.
    http://www.livingplaces.com/NY/Delaware_County/Stamford_Village/Churchill_Park_Historic_District.html
    http://www.dcnyhistory.org/stamford_rexmere.html
    http://www.watershedpost.com/2014/historic-rexmere-hotel-burns
    http://www.catskillsearch.com/site/2010/11/10/delaware-inn/
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/11-S-Delaware-St_Stamford_NY_12167_M34305-55970
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8-S-Delaware-St_Stamford_NY_12167_M34332-01852
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/4-Park-Ave_Stamford_NY_12167_M39979-78584

    • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

      Hi Jim, Thanks; you always seem to be a great resource for information. My belief that old houses are cheaper outside major metropolitan areas of New York seems to remain valid but the very reasonable taxes here are something of an enigma. I know (from TV ads) that NY State has a tax freeze program in place for businesses willing to relocate there. If they could offer tax relief for buyers of the state’s many old/historic houses I think it would boost property values and lead to far more restorations in the years ahead. I’ll concur with others that at this price point it is not move-in ready. A new roof is a given as is some method of asbestos shingle removal/remediation. The roof profile is not especially complicated in the absence of towers or turrets jutting out. I would imagine there are some old photos which might show what this house looked like in earlier times. As for recouping investment, this house would be a poor candidate for a speculative flip but might provide someone with decades of happy living in a fine Victorian home as well as the satisfaction of knowing a great old house has been preserved for another generation. Doubtful I could talk my spouse into moving to NY state, (she hates cold winters) but this is the kind of house I hope to find someday perhaps in a slightly warmer climate.

    • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

      Jim, just wanted to add additional thanks for the links. The loss of the Rexmere Hotel (a grand Gilded Age hotel by most standards) led me to look for more information and I found this excellent pictorial resource providing a community visual snapshot of Stamford: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/stamfordnewyork/interesting/ It appears the Mountain View Hotel (mothballed or vacant long term?) is another dusty Victorian jewel awaiting a renaissance. I can see why you appreciate this former resort community. Saratoga Springs, Sharon Springs, and now Stamford are on my bucket list of places to visit someday. (probably in the summer) Stamford appears as a hidden jewel in the Catskills-I hope your vision of it having a revival comes to fruition. In the “if I won the lottery” category, I’d want to acquire and restore the Mountain View Hotel and operate it at a loss if need be, just because its such a rare and beautiful survivor. The colorful Stamford community narrative makes me appreciate this house even more but it will be for someone with deeper pockets to save and restore.

      • RossRoss says: 2372 comments
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        1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
        Emporia, KS

        John, thanks for the link. The Mountain View Hotel is indeed quite incredible. A treasure.

        • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

          Ross, so tell me how to make a quick million bucks and then you and I will go restore the Mountain View Hotel. Agreed? Such original Victorian era hotels are extremely hard to find in unrestored condition-many of the “restored” examples are totally modernized inside without a remaining hint of their original character or details. Since the article about the Rexmere Hotel fire was rather vague about the causes, (it was in the process of being sold to a developer for renovation) it concerns me about the survival other vacant structures in this community. There was a second article about a fire causing the loss of another historic home at the same time in Stamford. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.

      • JimHJimH says: 4024 comments
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        John, I should have said the Rexmere was the last of the HUGE old wood-frame Catskill hotels – it had 400 rooms! There are a few of the smaller ones around; my favorite is the Lexington House 20 miles east. It’s also one of the oldest (1883) and survives only by miracle I think. If someone can save one, this one please. It was for sale a couple of years ago (no takers) with 2 houses, acreage and a large barn used as a summer theater. The original owners also built a dam on the adjacent creek to create Crystal Lake, now long gone.
        https://goo.gl/maps/cBmZk
        https://www.pinterest.com/pin/521713938053990040/
        http://www.baginskicreative.com/?p=1033

        • AvatarRick says: 78 comments

          Thanks for sharing the picture of the Lexington house, my god what a beautiful structure. The street view was amazing. I scoured the net and could barely find anything on it would of loved to have seen the inside. So unfortunate it needs to be saved. If this place could talk!

        • Kelly, Old House DreamsKelly, Old House Dreams says: 9829 comments
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          1901 Folk Victorian
          Chestatee, GA

          Holy Moly! That’s an incredible house! Have you ever seen photos of the inside?

          • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

            Thanks Jim,
            I’ll have to agree, the Lexington House blows away the Mountain View Hotel-the survival of several of these old Victorian era hotels is almost miraculous…but for how long? if I ever win that elusive lottery jackpot I’ll be there with a crew.

            • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

              I found a large size photo (Flickr) of the Lexington House where one can see all the details in various stages of deterioration: https://www.flickr.com/photos/7652577@N05/8646564022/sizes/o/ The consensus seems to be it will not stand for much longer-in a more popular location this hotel would surely be a landmark and highly coveted. It’s a real shame and horrific waste to see it slowly slipping towards oblivion. In my opinion such rare architectural examples should be considered national treasures to be saved and protected accordingly.

          • JimHJimH says: 4024 comments
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            Kelly, there are a few interior photos but most of the wow is outside. It never was ornate inside and survives intact – it looks like it’s been painted many times. A reception area, large dining room/ballroom, 30 rooms upstairs; gas lighting throughout originally, later wired and shared baths added in the ’30’s.
            The place has been associated with summer theatre since the 1880’s and was the scene of a semi-famous theatre event & tragedy in the ‘70’s that was made into a PBS film.
            A small amount of emergency work has been done, but the place has deteriorated badly and status is unknown. Preservation as part of a plan for the property including the adjacent Morse Inn makes sense – it needs an angel with vision.
            NRHP info and 1985 photos, old listing pics mostly of the other buildings, and the PBS link:
            http://www.oprhp.state.ny.us/hpimaging/hp_view.asp?GroupView=2578
            http://www.oprhp.state.ny.us/hpimaging/hp_view.asp?GroupView=2580
            http://www.trulia.com/property/3063290231-37-Morse-Rd-Lexington-NY-12452
            http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/lossofnamelessthings/film.html

    • AvatarMark says: 2 comments

      From the other listings, it seems like you quite likely would have a hard time getting anywhere near a full restoration here and not ending up in way over your head in expenses. Lots of DIY and only the necessities might get you a great place.

      I wish our taxes were only this expensive in Western PA. We’re 3x this for 1/4 the lot and 1/4 the home size in a middle of the pack in terms of desirability for suburban neighborhoods.

  8. JulieJulie says: 122 comments

    Just beautiful, and the carpet gives it that slightly creepy feel that I love.

  9. Paul WPaul W says: 565 comments

    Two huge costs with this home, the roof and the siding. The siding depending on the manufacturer will have asbestos and that will likely mean certified containment, which for this size house will be expensive. Usually the siding under this is good as long as it hasn’t dry rotted.

    Great house and it looks like in a similar area of houses. Impressive woodwork throughout.

    • AvatarVirginia Llorca says: 2 comments

      Glad you mentioned asbestos. Some codes will let you side over it, considering it sealed. Doesn’t off gas. Handling is the danger.

      • AvatarRobert says: 5 comments

        Siding not asbestos here ! Wide exposure cedar with deep texture… a common cover up in the pre aluminum siding days…most likely done in the 1950’s.

  10. AvatarTia P. says: 60 comments

    What a beautiful home! The woodwork inside is gorgeous! So many beautiful features are preserved here. From the outside, I didn’t expect this. What a bargain!

  11. Avatarchristy says: 63 comments

    Gorgeous! And I’m really digging the 1st kitchen pic.

  12. AvatarLaurie says: 1542 comments

    Very sad to see the all-too-common deterioration of a former popular resort town. Victorians are not my favorite style houses but the quality in this one is so outstanding, I have to love it. Someone put a great deal of time & expense into it. It must have been just superb. I hate to see it so neglected but would be surprised if a buyer stepped forward who would give it the love it deserves. This isn’t an area that attracts much renovation. Heartbreaking that the beautiful Rexmere burned!

    I agree completely with John’s view of NY taxes. The only reason property taxes are reasonable here is probably that the town would empty out if they rose, since it offers little in the way of jobs. I grew up in NY state & prop. taxes anywhere near cities are crazy — were high when I was a kid & have only risen as a % of house value. Self-defeating.

  13. RossRoss says: 2372 comments
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    1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
    Emporia, KS

    When I lived in NYC, I kept an apartment in the city, and also had a large Colonial-era house in Newport, RI. The drive was 3.5 hours. The three-story house (a half-block from Newport harbor) was half the cost of a studio apartment in the city.

    I would leave the city at 10PM on a Thursday (missing all the traffic) and return to the city at 10PM Monday (missing all the traffic).

    There was a garage a block from my city apartment.

    This way, I enjoyed city life, and the beauty of Newport and the ocean.

    The price of the home in this post, even fully restored, would be less than what an average studio apartment costs in NYC.

    Also, as I have previously mentioned, we live in an age where it is increasingly possible to have an internet-based income rather than a local-based. My income is wholly internet based, so it does not matter if there are no local jobs wherever I might live.

    Small towns such as this, close to a FABULOUS and MAJOR urban center, seem ripe for renewal.

    Oh, the interior of this home is incredible. Wow. Yummy.

    • AvatarLaurie says: 1542 comments

      Ross, you make such a good point. If more people realized how true that is, so many needy houses could be saved — I hadn’t thought of it quite like that myself. Your post should be in big headlines in every medium people read!

  14. AvatarHouse Hugger says: 5 comments

    Someone please restore this town to it’s former glory! I will come for a vacation!

  15. Avatargemma says: 129 comments

    internet-based income — interesting. Never saw it quite like that. Thanks.

    New convents of nuns are springing up all over the US, and along with them, lauras of hermits. These houses could eventually become retreats. The isolation might be a bit much for me personally. I would be concerned about healthcare, of course, and emergency services.

  16. AvatarDebbie Fish says: 14 comments

    You know I have had another thought about this house. With all the kitchens, it would certainly make a good retirement home for a few couples or widows/widowers who are friendly but still want some privacy. It’s got enough room for a guest suite for visiting relatives, big yard for the grandkids, close enough to major cities. Would question how the medical facilities are in this small town, but I’ve been hearing about retirees “sharing” a large old house like this.

    • John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

      Sounds like an excellent idea. The configuration of the house suggests it was used for rental in the past so a type of “Co-op” house shared by retirees might be feasible. Of course, when it comes to sharing living quarters, it takes a special type of individual who gets along well with others and who doesn’t place too many personal demands on the arrangement. Perhaps a non-profit entity could be set up for such a purpose but I would hope in any case the original period details would be kept so that if in the future it reverted to single family status, not much would have been lost and the house could be changed easily. Some rental conversions of former single family homes have all but destroyed most of the original character and details.

  17. AvatarMary Jane O'Connor-Ropp says: 2 comments

    This house was two houses away from where I grew up and the Solomons were dear friends. It was not built by the “well regarded Dr. Solomon” – the Solomon family did not move into the house until the 1940s.

  18. AvatarRobert says: 5 comments

    This house needs a tremendous amount of work. For starters the slate roof was covered over with asphalt shingles…the siding has been sided over with wide exposure cedar shakes, the front porch which had a port cohere, is long gone…pipes are all frozen, heating plant is useless…has a bomb shelter (for real) in the basement. This said it is an incredible property and worth the effort…you would have to be willing to do a lot of work yourself as, and others have said this, the value is not there. I disagree with the NYC distance being an issue. 3 hrs is not an impossible distance for weekend travel and when you see what your dollar buys, vs. destinations like Woodstock or Rhinebeck, I think its very attractive. Not too long ago some large Stamford homes were selling in the 4-500K range. One can always hope for a Renaissance!

  19. AvatarHolly Q says: 83 comments

    In the 9th picture from the top, does anyone know what that large wooden panel is? I thought it was a pocket door at first glance.

    • RossRoss says: 2372 comments
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      1894 QueenAnneFreeClassic
      Emporia, KS

      It appears to be a door opening which was later sealed up. Perhaps pocket doors? Perhaps regular doors? Perhaps just an opening? I would assume it could be unsealed.

  20. AvatarRobert says: 5 comments

    Yes…door (perhaps with pocket doors) into original library (?) which was made into a bedroom in apartment rearrangement. House had 4 large public rooms on first floor originally….Parlor, Dining Room, Library(?) and Card Room(?) as well as a kitchen and pantry. An extra staircase (C. 1950) has eaten into one of these rooms. Stamford was strictly a summer event at the time this house was built and its room arrangements would have reflected that use. This is why I suggest a card room as Ucher (an early variant of bridge) was a popular card game at the turn of the 19th-20th centuries and “Progressive Ucher” where the game traveled from house to hotel to house was so important (in Stamford) that the games progress was reported daily in the “Stamford Mirror Recorder”.

    • AvatarHolly Q says: 83 comments

      Thanks so much for that info Robert & Ross, much appreciated!

      • AvatarRobert says: 5 comments

        Holly, This house beckons you…come up to Stamford and have a look for yourself. My guess is that the price is negotiable given the condition…

  21. AvatarMary Jane O'Connor-Rop says: 2 comments

    That was the doorway into the library and if I recall, there were pocket doors there originally. This room opened off the main staircase hallway.

  22. John ShifletJohn Shiflet says: 4611 comments

    If one is very lucky, they may still be there hidden in the pockets. Quite a few homeowners for various reasons (usually the doors stuck or dragged) did not wish to go to the trouble to remove the track hardware and remove the doors as it was far easier to push the doors as far as they would go back into the pocket cavity and then nail a board to cover the space. Delighted restorers sometimes discover these long hidden doors and can then restore them back to usefulness.

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